Re: PL's same tired old lies and bullshit

On May 25, 12:11 am, Dan Christensen <dch...@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
On May 24, 6:27 pm, "PL" <pl.nos...@xxxxxxxxxx> wrote:

[snip]

So, 12 miles from Havana, or from anywhere else in Cuba, is Cuban
terrority.

Nope.
12 miles is the border
You have offered no proof they ever went beyond that.

We have proof (from the BTR website itself), that they reported being
at the boundary of Cuban airspace. (Why would they be in a such a
position given the political tension at the time? It was absolute
insanity!) About a minute later, they spotted the Cuban jets. And at
the time, they were covering a mile every 18 seconds (my estimate), so
they could have been several miles into Cuban airspace by the time
they first spotted the jets.

.> Remember, too, that the BTR planes were not standing still, but were

covering a mile every 18 seconds (my estimate).

and were noted to be far away from Cuban territorial waters when the attack
came.
They clearly went "the other way"

[snip]

Not so "clearly," Mr. Lobbyist. According to the BTR transcripts,
about two minutes after reporting being at the boundary of Cuban
airspace, the Cuban jets were reported being north of the BTR
formation, presumably following them south and farther into Cuban
airspace:

"The bogies are north of us at this time..."

http://www.hermanos.org/Transcripts%20on%20board%20N2506%20.htm

From the transcript, it seems they were fired upon seconds later. And

to my knowledge, fighter jets always approach their targets from
behind -- from the north in this case. Does this contradict other
supposed "evidence?" It sure does!


And it's not just me. From an account originally published in the
Miami Herald:

The conclusions of retired Air Force Col. George E. Buchner put him at
odds with earlier analyses conducted by the United States, the United
Nations and prosecution experts -- all of whom agreed that Cuban MiGs
attacked the unarmed planes in international airspace over the Florida
Straits....

But Buchner reached a different conclusion, based in part on two trips
to Havana, where he said he flew planes, witnessed work at Havana's
air traffic control center, and learned about Cuban radar and radio
communication systems.

Buchner is a decorated Vietnam War fighter pilot and former commander
of a region of NORAD, North American Air Defense Command, the military
network charged with protecting the United States from nuclear missile
attacks. He retired 20 years ago.

Buchner testified that he reviewed transcripts of MiG cockpit-to-
ground communications and radar data hand-plotted by the Cubans on the
shoot-down day, Feb. 24, 1996. He concluded that the two Brothers
planes were blasted from the sky about six miles and 5.5 miles,
respectively, off the Cuban coast. Cuba's territorial limit is 12
miles.

Buchner's findings are similar to what Cuba has claimed all along:
that both Brothers aircraft, along with a third flown by Brothers
founder and pilot José Basulto, were only four to five miles off the
Cuban coast.

Source: "Fliers downed by MiGs violated Cuban airspace, colonel says,"
Miami Herald, March 22, 2001
http://www.cubanet.org/CNews/y01/mar01/22e6.htm

Dan
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