Re: Dengue in Cubain 2006 even though Castro claimed the disease was eradicated in 2002


"Dan Christensen" <dchris@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote in message
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Dan Christensen wrote:
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Again, not one independent expert will actually support Mendoza's
wildly inflated numbers(snip)

They did and nominated him for awards.


Please cite any independent expert who explicitly supports the wildly
inflated numbers Mendoza was throwing around. (snip)

Please cite one international expert that was allowed to go and verify.

You made claims in support of this doctor-turned-propagandist,
(snip)

and I showed that international human rights and medical associations
supported him.
You now have shown that:
- during his trial none of the names listed as dead was refuted
- no independent expert was allowed to verify anything.

But we agree that Dr. Dotres (the minister of health) and Dr. kouri gave
very different information about the victems, no?

Bull***.
(snip)

Nope.
A fact. One said that all the dead were kids, the other said none of them
was, no?

Dr. Dotres : 10 (in Santiago)


"Dr Carlos Dotres, Minister of Public Health, stated that the outbreak in
Santiago de Cuba is now under control, and has caused no more than 10
deaths, none of those in adults."


Dr. Kouri : 12 nationwide (of the laboratory confirmed cases so that
excludes those with falsified death certificates)


"Of 2,946 laboratory-confirmed cases,
205 were dengue hemorrhagic fever, and 12 were fatal. No deaths were
reported in persons under 16 years of age. Now the epidemic is fully
controlled."

You also agree that non Cuban source has shown that the names of the dead
listed were false. That they didn't even dare at his trial.


More bull***.

Nope.
More facts.

The Cuban government never allowed any verification but the minister of
health (Dr. Dotres) and Dr. Kouri (head infectious diseases)
contradicted each other on the victims, no?


You see they objected to him being prosecuted for speaking out and the
were
irate because he was prosecuted for telling the truth.


[snip]

As usual, they (intentionally?) ignore the historical context

(snip)

The "historical context" is that the Cuban government wanted to hide the
epidemic to protect tourism income.
They didn't want anything to interfere with Expo-Caribe '97.



Again, please cite even one independent expert who will claim that the
Cuban authorities in any way jeopardized public health.
(snip)

Hiding a epidemic endangers public health comrade Dan.
Just quote any expert saying differently.


As I thought
(snip)

So you agree.
OK.

The proof is there comrade Dan.

The standard reply to Dan's "lobbyist" lie:

Lobbyist.

Quote me comrade Dan.
We both know you can't.

Try something like this:

Quote:
"In my opinion the advances made by the Revolution are morally well worth
fighting for and justify the use of these extraordinary measures. In this
case, the ends do indeed justify the means.
......
These measures, however, would NOT be morally justified in propping less
worthy regimes in the region -- the USA and its vassal states in the
Caribbean and Latin America come immediately to mind."
http://groups.google.com/groups?hl=en&lr=&ie=UTF-8&selm=tirG3.176162%245r2.278940%40tor-nn1.netcom.ca

"It is wrong to think that a particular end justifies EVERY means. At this
time, for example, it would be wrong of the Cuban government to send death
squads after their opponents as happens in Mexico and Colombia. Again, the
actions of the Cuban government in detaining these so-called dissidents seem
quite mild in comparison and are morally justified under the circumstances."
http://groups.google.com/groups?hl=en&lr=&ie=UTF-8&selm=txMG3.176443%245r2.284921%40tor-nn1.netcom.ca

Unquote.

You lie about me as you lied about Wayne Smith, Amnesty
International,
Genocide Watch, ..........

Still waiting for the "Geneva" proof comrade Dan.
That "episode" clearly exposes your lies.

As I said comrade Dan.
Every time you post that lie about me I post the truth about you. You can
not deny that you are a self declared Stalinist cyber activists who lives in
a nice 250,000 dollar suburban house in Canada (realtor site with images can
be given at your request) while playing the communist.
Stuck as you are without arguments all you have left are lies, personal
attacks and moronic innuendo

Remember the lie about "lobbying in Geneva" while I actually was on vacation
in Cuba (as the source IP
address of my posts in SCC at that time prove).
This was your false claim:
"Taking a little break from arm-twisting in Geneva, Mr. Lobbyist?"
Link:
http://groups.google.com/group/soc.culture.cuba/msg/b6375f9783e47aee?q=g:thl1746703614d&dq=&hl=en&lr=&ie=UTF-8
Your inability to substantiate any of it is the best proof of your lies.

Nothing more than another example of your lies and misquotes like the ones
below:

YOUR LIE about Wayne Smith
"It is clear from Smith's article here (and his website, CIP Online)
that he does, in fact, support an immediate and unconditional lifting
of your beloved embargo."
http://groups.google.com/group/soc.culture.cuba/msg/3f1fe3a55c12d7d7?dmode=source&hl=en

HIS own words:

'We should reduce tensions, not aggravate it, making it clear to the Cuban
government that we do not have hostile intentions toward them,'' Smith said
during a 40-minute speech at a conference titled Cuba and the United States:
Relations in Permanent Conflict, Causes, Effects and Solutions.
''I did not say lift the embargo without conditions,'' he said.
http://www.miami.com/mld/miamiherald/news/world/cuba/12157593.htm
You can enter after a free registration.

Permanent copy in the Cubaverdad archive:
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/CubaVerdad/message/16823

YOUR LIE about Amnesty International.
Another example of the same lie: putting words in people's mouth.

Do you deny that in your posts you put some snippets from the report
quoted below and on your site you also falsely claim about the same
report
that:

"Today, for the first time, Amnesty International has explicitly
denounced
the US embargo on Cuba in humanitarian terms, and made clear its
support for
the immediate and unconditional lifting of these cruel sanctions"
http://members.allstream.net/~dchris/CubaFAQ215.html

Link to the "report": (the one you don't give)
http://web.amnesty.org/library/Index/ENGAMR250172003?open&of=ENG-CUB

They aren't calling for an "immediate and unconditional" end to the
trade
sanctions in that report. Aren't they?
Do you deny you snipped the words "immediate and unconditional" from
this
sentences in the report (THE ONLY PLACES WHERE THEY ARE USED):

"in 1.
"On the basis of the available information, therefore, Amnesty
International considers the 75 dissidents to be prisoners of
conscience(2) and calls for their immediate and unconditional
release."

In 8.1
"· to immediately and unconditionally release the 15 prisoners
previously named by Amnesty International as prisoners of conscience.


· to immediately and unconditionally release anyone else who is
detained or imprisoned solely for having peacefully exercised their
rights to freedom of expression, association and assembly."

and added to those snippets your own words to create this sentence on
your
lying website:

" Amnesty International has explicitly denounced
the US embargo on Cuba in humanitarian terms, and made clear its
support for
the immediate and unconditional lifting of these cruel sanctions"

that sentence:
1. isn't in the report
2. isn't supported by the tenure and the conclusions of the report

You snipped two three words used by Amnesty to condemn the Castro
regime and
abused them in a sentence to imply support for your cause: a BLATANT
LIE.

What the report actually recommends about the "embargo" is:
"Amnesty International calls on the United States government
· to immediately suspend decisions on any measures that could toughen
the embargo.
· to review its foreign and economic policy towards Cuba, with an aim
towards ending this damaging practice.
· to place enjoyment of the full range of human rights at the
forefront of its concerns in developing new policy towards Cuba."

Clearly no immediate and unconditional end is demanded as Dan claims.
The request is for not stiffening the sanctions and to review a policy
that places "enjoyment of the full range of human rights at the
forefront of its concerns".

See:
http://web.amnesty.org/library/Index/ENGAMR250172003?open&of=ENG-CUB


Lies and more lies from comrade Dan Christensen, the resident Stalinist
propagandists of SCC.

PL


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