Re: A Bankrupt Cuba Policy -- Wayne Smith




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A Bankrupt Cuba Policy
by Wayne Smith

More a bankrupt regime. Both morally and financially.

This is what Wayne Smith proposes, no?

'We should reduce tensions, not aggravate it, making it clear to the
Cuban
government that we do not have hostile intentions toward them,'' Smith
said
during a 40-minute speech at a conference titled Cuba and the United
States:
Relations in Permanent Conflict, Causes, Effects and Solutions.
''I did not say lift the embargo without conditions,'' he said.


Smith is a bit vague here,

Nope
Very clear:
"I did not say lift the embargo without conditions,"


What conditions then? And what aspects of the embargo should be left in
place? He doesn't say. Like I said, vague.

But he is very clear: conditions.

Not as you said in your lie about Wayne Smith
"It is clear from Smith's article here (and his website, CIP Online)
that he does, in fact, support an immediate and unconditional lifting
of your beloved embargo."
http://groups.google.com/group/soc.culture.cuba/msg/3f1fe3a55c12d7d7?dmode=source&hl=en

(snip)

BTW, we are STILL waiting for your explanation of how it would even be
possible to reduce tensions and still have sanctions remaining in place
(snip)

easy: Castro could just ease up on the repression, allow freedom of
speech, free and fair elections and as a result of that process sanctions
would be eased and after free and fair elections I am sure the US would
drop them.


As you know (recent postings), under Section 206 of the Helms-Burton Act,
the genocide will continue until such time as Cuba's socialist system is
dismantled. (snip)

False.
HB only refers to circumstance which the US feels are needed to regularize
relations completely.
It explicitly refers to the free expression of the will of the Cuban people.
All it asks is respect for private property. That excludes nothing but a
state capitalist system that denies basic private property rights (like the
current system).
It allows a socialist system with a mixed economic system.

The full text comrade Dan snipped in despair.


SEC. 205. REQUIREMENTS AND FACTORS FOR DETERMINING A TRANSITION
GOVERNMENT.
(a) REQUIREMENTS- For the purposes of this Act, a transition
government in Cuba is a government that--
(1) has legalized all political activity;
(2) has released all political prisoners and allowed for
investigations of Cuban prisons by appropriate international
human rights organizations;
(3) has dissolved the present Department of State Security
in
the Cuban Ministry of the Interior, including the Committees
for the Defense of the Revolution and the Rapid Response
Brigades; and
(4) has made public commitments to organizing free and fair
elections for a new government--
(A) to be held in a timely manner within a period not to
exceed 18 months after the transition government assumes
power;
(B) with the participation of multiple independent
political parties that have full access to the media on an
equal basis, including (in the case of radio, television,
or other telecommunications media) in terms of allotments
of time for such access and the times of day such
allotments are given; and
(C) to be conducted under the supervision of
internationally recognized observers, such as the
Organization of American States, the United Nations, and
other election monitors;
(5) has ceased any interference with Radio Marti or
Television Marti broadcasts;
(6) makes public commitments to and is making demonstrable
progress in--
(A) establishing an independent judiciary;
(B) respecting internationally recognized human rights
and basic freedoms as set forth in the Universal
Declaration of Human Rights, to which Cuba is a signatory
nation;
(C) allowing the establishment of independent trade
unions as set forth in conventions 87 and 98 of the
International Labor Organization, and allowing the
establishment of independent social, economic, and
political associations;
(7) does not include Fidel Castro or Raul Castro; and
(8) has given adequate assurances that it will allow the
speedy and efficient distribution of assistance to the Cuban
people.
(b) ADDITIONAL FACTORS- In addition to the requirements in
subsection (a), in determining whether a transition government in
Cuba is in power, the President shall take into account the extent
to which that government--
(1) is demonstrably in transition from a communist
totalitarian dictatorship to representative democracy;
(2) has made public commitments to, and is making
demonstrable progress in--
(A) effectively guaranteeing the rights of free speech
and freedom of the press, including granting permits to
privately owned media and telecommunications companies to
operate in Cuba;
(B) permitting the reinstatement of citizenship to
Cuban-born persons returning to Cuba;
(C) assuring the right to private property; and
(D) taking appropriate steps to return to United States
citizens (and entities which are 50 percent or more
beneficially owned by United States citizens) property
taken by the Cuban Government from such citizens and
entities on or after January 1, 1959, or to provide
equitable compensation to such citizens and entities for
such property;
(3) has extradited or otherwise rendered to the United
States
all persons sought by the United States Department of Justice
for crimes committed in the United States; and
(4) has permitted the deployment throughout Cuba of
independent and unfettered international human rights
monitors.
SEC. 206. REQUIREMENTS FOR DETERMINING A DEMOCRATICALLY ELECTED
GOVERNMENT.
For purposes of this Act, a democratically elected government in
Cuba, in addition to meeting the requirements of section 205(a),
is
a government which--
(1) results from free and fair elections--
(A) conducted under the supervision of internationally
recognized observers; and
(B) in which--
(i) opposition parties were permitted ample time to
organize and campaign for such elections; and
(ii) all candidates were permitted full access to
the
media;
(2) is showing respect for the basic civil liberties and
human rights of the citizens of Cuba;
(3) is substantially moving toward a market-oriented
economic
system based on the right to own and enjoy property;
(4) is committed to making constitutional changes that would
ensure regular free and fair elections and the full enjoyment
of basic civil liberties and human rights by the citizens of
Cuba;
(5) has made demonstrable progress in establishing an
independent judiciary; and
(6) has made demonstrable progress in returning to United
States citizens (and entities which are 50 percent or more
beneficially owned by United States citizens) property taken
by
the Cuban Government from such citizens and entities on or
after January 1, 1959, or providing full compensation for such
property in accordance with international law standards and
practice.
http://www.soc.qc.edu/procuba/helm_law.html



PL



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