Re: The revolutions toll -- Mr. Lobbyist goes down in flames!


"PL" <pl.nospam@xxxxxxxxxx> wrote in message
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[snip portions of PL's already debunked here, or REALLY too lame to bother
with!]

Human Rights Watch:

"In August, the U.S. Department of Justice revealed that the number
of
men and women behind bars in the U.S. at the end of 1999 exceeded two
million and the rate of incarceration had reached 690 inmates per
100,000 residents -- a rate Human Rights Watch believed to be the
highest in the world (with the exception of Rwanda)."
http://www.hrw.org/wr2k1/usa/index.html

No definite answer.
No data on Cuba.


Even at the end of 1999, HRW said your political masters had the
highest incarceration rate in the world (next to Rwanda),

Nope.
they said they "believed" it was.
Stop twisting words.


Pathetic.

Nope.
it shows they can't confirm the data.
(snip)


At the very least, it shows that even back then, HRW did not buy into these
bullshit numbers of yours.


Repeating the same data and links over and over comrade Dan doesn't change
the fact that the data you give either repeats the same source over and
over
again , gives no sources and does not refer to Cuba.
In some cases the "case" is made based on total prison population or
another
measure (people that have been in jail at one time or another) versus the
standard calculation of people per 100000 actually in jail at a given
point
in time.
The data as given by the ICPS - by their own admission - is based on an
uncorroborated and undocumented "estimate" by a Swedish researcher as they
clearly indicate on their website with the "c".
They give (and seem to be unable) to give any further details.
Their only source is: Nils Christie, University of Oslo. No other works of
him on Cuba to be seen, no explanation of how the number was arrived
at.You can What is interesting to see though is that his own "estimate"
went up over
50% between 1997 and 2003. Doiesn't give you a lot of confidence in the
methodology, no?


The Cubans do not publish statistics on their prison population, but
Christie, an expert on prison systems was able to give a rough estimate of
the prison population using a methodology he has applied to other countries.
Needless to say, he has implicitly rejected your absurd figures -- as did
HRW some years ago (see above).


According to an article in the Miami Herald in September 2003 Cuba's jails
may hold over 100,000 inmates.
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/CubaVerdad/message/7998

[snip more of the same]

Again, this is a figure seems only to be used by anti-Cuban propagandists
and lazy journalists (mostly in Miami?). A figure this high would put Cuba's
incarceration rate way ahead of that of the USA. As is widely and
unequivocally reported, however, the USA rate has the HIGHEST in the world.
See for example:

http://www.justicepolicy.org/article.php?id=477
http://www.prisonactivist.org/materials/wto_pic.html
http://www.findarticles.com/p/articles/mi_m1272/is_2724_134/ai_n15380394
http://www.fff.org/comment/com0310a.asp
http://www.csmonitor.com/2003/0818/p02s01-usju.html
http://www.truthout.org/docs_2005/062805I.shtml


BTW, we are STILL waiting for even a single recent report on the US prison
system that says it does NOT have HIGHEST incarceration rate in the world.
It looks like you have come up short again, "Miss" Lobbyist / Cyberstalker!

Dan
Visit my CUBA: Issues & Answers website at
http://www.netcom.ca/~dchris/CubaFAQ.html


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