Re: Cuba at the height of its Tourist Season


"Dan Christensen" <dchris@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote in message
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> "PL" <pl.nospam@xxxxxxxxxx> wrote in message
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>> "Bob" <bob@xxxxxxx> wrote in message news:dq513k$2v2$1@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
>>> Dan Christensen wrote:
>>>> "krp~" <web2457k@xxxxxxxxxxx> wrote in message
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>>>> Put it this way: You and your fellow embargo-Nazis here have tried to
>>>> avail for years to find even one independent expert, for the WHO or
>>>> anywhere else, who does not accept the validity of Cuban health stats.
>>>> NOT ONE! Why do think that is, Kennykins????
>>>
>>> I keep hammering them on this pt.
>>>>>
>>>> Says you, Kennykins. The fact is, Cuban health stats are widely
>>>> accepted even by ideological rivals like the World Bank.
>>>
>>> And the Wall Street Journal, comrade Dan. See my reference to a WSJ
>>> article that noted Cuba's low IMR
>>
>> You mean youir misquote?
>>
>> The correct quote from the site that Bob gave:
>>
>> "Cuban pediatric care, including a low infant-mortality rate, was once a
>> much heralded achievement of Castro's revolution--despite evidence that
>> the
>> mortality rate was low mainly as a consequence of the high abortion rate
>> of
>> high-risk pregnancies."
>>
>> Thanks for confirming that Cuba manipulates the data by using abortion
>> and
>> other methods.
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>
> In your genocidal wet dreams,

Nope.
Just facts.

>From Promedmail :
The global electronic reporting system for outbreaks
of emerging infectious diseases & toxins,
open to all sources.
ProMED-mail, the Program for Monitoring
Emerging Diseases, is a program of the
International Society for Infectious Diseases.


" People emigrating from Cuba or visiting Cuba, including international
health
representatives, have reported that it is in line with Cuban Government
policy to report mild cases of dengue as "influenza". Cuban physicians
have confirmed allegations that some disease reporting in Cuba is
politically influenced "
See www.promedmail.org Archive Number 19970627.1390

Michael Thiede is Senior Research Officer in the Health Economics Unit
of the Department of Public Health and Primary Health Care at the
University of Cape Town, South Africa. He writes: " Last year I spent
three months in Cuba. I am still motivated to put together some papers
on Cuban health care. Unfortunately, however, during my stay I was
only able to get hold of the official statistical data and find them
not especially trustworthy.
http://www.stanford.edu/group/wais/cuba_healthcarestatistics62202.html

(link now broken)

>> More data:
>>
>> October 2005: infant mortality in Cienfuegos: 12.3
>>
>> ALUD PUBLICA
>> Aumenta mortalidad infantil en Cienfuegos
>>
>>
>> CIENFUEGOS, Cuba - 20 de octubre (Carmen Martínez Vilche, Jagua Press /
>> www.cubanet.org)
>
> [snip]
>
> Ummmm....
Yep.
again that award winning news service thart beraks Castro's news embargo.

October 2005: infant mortality in Cienfuegos: 12.3

SALUD PUBLICA
Aumenta mortalidad infantil en Cienfuegos


CIENFUEGOS, Cuba - 20 de octubre (Carmen Martínez Vilche, Jagua Press /
www.cubanet.org) - La preocupación se apoderó de las autoridades médicas
cienfuegueras el pasado 12 de octubre, al percatarse del incremento que
se registra en la mortalidad infantil en la provincia, que saltó de 5 a
12.3 fallecidos por cada mil nacidos vivos en lo que va de año.


Se desconocen las causas que originaron el incremento del fenómeno. El
problema ha generado tal preocupación que ha obligado a los funcionarios
del Ministerio de Salud Pública y del gobierno a reunirse para
determinar qué deficiencias provocaron esta alza.


Sin embargo, numerosos residentes entrevistados coincidieron en señalar
que este aumento de la mortalidad infantil se debe a la falta de médicos
con experiencia, ya que éstos han sido enviados a diferentes países del
mundo, dejando a la población infantil desprotegida.


http://www.cubanet.org/CNews/y05/oct05/21a2.htm


> Lobbyist

Just your lies and misquotes as usual.
Still waiting for the "Geneva" proof comrade Dan.
That "episode" clearly exposes your lies.

As I said comrade Dan.
Every time you post that lie about me I post the truth about you. You can
not deny that you are a self declared Stalinist cyber activists who lives in
a nice 250,000 dollar suburban house in Canada (realtor site with images can
be given at your request) while playing the communist.
Stuck as you are without arguments all you have left are lies, personal
attacks and moronic innuendo

Remember the lie about "lobbying in Geneva" while I actually was on vacation
in Cuba (as the source IP
address of my posts in SCC at that time prove).
This was your false claim:
"Taking a little break from arm-twisting in Geneva, Mr. Lobbyist?"
Link:
http://groups.google.com/group/soc.culture.cuba/msg/b6375f9783e47aee?q=g:thl1746703614d&dq=&hl=en&lr=&ie=UTF-8
Your inability to substantiate any of it is the best proof of your lies.

Nothing more than another example of your lies and misquotes like the ones
below:

YOUR LIE about Wayne Smith
"It is clear from Smith's article here (and his website, CIP Online)
that he does, in fact, support an immediate and unconditional lifting
of your beloved embargo."
http://groups.google.com/group/soc.culture.cuba/msg/3f1fe3a55c12d7d7?dmode=source&hl=en

YOUR own words:

'We should reduce tensions, not aggravate it, making it clear to the Cuban
government that we do not have hostile intentions toward them,'' Smith said
during a 40-minute speech at a conference titled Cuba and the United States:
Relations in Permanent Conflict, Causes, Effects and Solutions.
''I did not say lift the embargo without conditions,'' he said.
http://www.miami.com/mld/miamiherald/news/world/cuba/12157593.htm
You can enter after a free registration.

Permanent copy in the Cubaverdad archive:
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/CubaVerdad/message/16823

YOUR LIE about Amnesty International.
Another example of the same lie: putting words in people's mouth.

Do you deny that in your posts you put some snippets from the report
quoted below and on your site you also falsely claim about the same
report
that:

"Today, for the first time, Amnesty International has explicitly
denounced
the US embargo on Cuba in humanitarian terms, and made clear its
support for
the immediate and unconditional lifting of these cruel sanctions"
http://members.allstream.net/~dchris/CubaFAQ215.html

Link to the "report": (the one you don't give)
http://web.amnesty.org/library/Index/ENGAMR250172003?open&of=ENG-CUB

They aren't calling for an "immediate and unconditional" end to the
trade
sanctions in that report. Aren't they?
Do you deny you snipped the words "immediate and unconditional" from
this
sentences in the report (THE ONLY PLACES WHERE THEY ARE USED):

"in 1.
"On the basis of the available information, therefore, Amnesty
International considers the 75 dissidents to be prisoners of
conscience(2) and calls for their immediate and unconditional
release."

In 8.1
"· to immediately and unconditionally release the 15 prisoners
previously named by Amnesty International as prisoners of conscience.


· to immediately and unconditionally release anyone else who is
detained or imprisoned solely for having peacefully exercised their
rights to freedom of expression, association and assembly."

and added to those snippets your own words to create this sentence on
your
lying website:

" Amnesty International has explicitly denounced
the US embargo on Cuba in humanitarian terms, and made clear its
support for
the immediate and unconditional lifting of these cruel sanctions"

that sentence:
1. isn't in the report
2. isn't supported by the tenure and the conclusions of the report

You snipped two three words used by Amnesty to condemn the Castro
regime and
abused them in a sentence to imply support for your cause: a BLATANT
LIE.

What the report actually recommends about the "embargo" is:
"Amnesty International calls on the United States government
· to immediately suspend decisions on any measures that could toughen
the embargo.
· to review its foreign and economic policy towards Cuba, with an aim
towards ending this damaging practice.
· to place enjoyment of the full range of human rights at the
forefront of its concerns in developing new policy towards Cuba."

Clearly no immediate and unconditional end is demanded as Dan claims.
The request is for not stiffening the sanctions and to review a policy
that places "enjoyment of the full range of human rights at the
forefront of its concerns".

See:
http://web.amnesty.org/library/Index/ENGAMR250172003?open&of=ENG-CUB

PL



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