Re: Venezuela to Sell Cheap Oil to US Poor (AP).


"Dan Christensen" <dchris@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote in message
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> "PL" <pl.nospam@xxxxxxxxxx> wrote in message
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> [snip portions of PL's posting already debunked, or too lame to bother
> with]

You are the Nazi comrade Dan.

You support a dictator that is firmly on Genocide Watch list: (and has been
for years)
www.genocidewatch.org/genocidetable2005.htm

You support human rights abuses and extra-judicial killings

Quote:
"In my opinion the advances made by the Revolution are morally well worth
fighting for and justify the use of these extraordinary measures. In this
case, the ends do indeed justify the means.
........
These measures, however, would NOT be morally justified in propping less
worthy regimes in the region -- the USA and its vassal states in the
Caribbean and Latin America come immediately to mind."
http://groups.google.com/group/soc.culture.cuba/msg/30da2e6461ef2006?hl=en&lr=&ie=UTF-8

"It is wrong to think that a particular end justifies EVERY means. At this
time, for example, it would be wrong of the Cuban government to send death
squads after their opponents as happens in Mexico and Colombia. Again, the
actions of the Cuban government in detaining these so-called dissidents seem
quite mild in comparison and are morally justified under the circumstances."
http://groups.google.com/group/soc.culture.cuba/msg/590f2b46693bf729?hl=en&lr=&ie=UTF-8

Unquote.


>>>> You support a dictator that is on the list of Genocide Watch.
>>>> www.genocidewatch.org
>>>>
>>> [snip]
>>>
>>> As anyone can verify by simply (snip)
>>
>> reading the facts below: you are a liar.
>>
>> The facts:
>> YOUR LIE about Genocide Watch.
>>
> [snip]
>
> Poor, pathetic little "Miss" Lobbyist! (snip)

Castro is firmly on Genocide Watch list and even after the 2005 update of
the page he remains there firmly.
see: www.genocidewatch.org/genocidetable2005.htm

As far as the exact number of Castro's victims: these sources are now
estimating them at 97,000 to 107,000

" In the book-in-progress The Human Costs of Social Revolutions: The Black
Book on Cuba by Dr. Armando Lago that will be published in 1999, he is
making an attempt to list Castro's deaths since 1959. With Castro in power,
obtaining information is very difficult, but so far the deaths of 97,000
persons have been named, each confirmed by at least two sources. Some
30,000 executed by firing squad, 2,000 extra-judicial assassinations, 5,000
deaths in prison due to beating by guards and denial of medical care and
60,000 deaths while trying to escape Cuba by sea. "
http://www.nocastro.com/archives/gohome.htm

also quoted in:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Human_rights_in_Cuba
http://users.erols.com/mwhite28/warstat6.htm#Cuba59

> Mr. Lobbyist .

Still waiting for the "Geneva" proof comrade Dan.
That "episode" clearly exposes your lies.

As I said comrade Dan.
Every time you post that lie about me I post the truth about you. You can
not deny that you are a self declared Stalinist cyber activists who lives in
a nice 250,000 dollar suburban house in Canada (realtor site with images can
be given at your request) while playing the communist.
Stuck as you are without arguments all you have left are lies, personal
attacks and moronic innuendo

Remember the lie about "lobbying in Geneva" while I actually was on vacation
in Cuba (as the source IP
address of my posts in SCC at that time prove).
This was your false claim:
"Taking a little break from arm-twisting in Geneva, Mr. Lobbyist?"
Link:
http://groups.google.com/group/soc.culture.cuba/msg/b6375f9783e47aee?q=g:thl1746703614d&dq=&hl=en&lr=&ie=UTF-8
Your inability to substantiate any of it is the best proof of your lies.

Nothing more than another example of your lies and misquotes like the ones
below:

YOUR LIE about Wayne Smith
"It is clear from Smith's article here (and his website, CIP Online)
that he does, in fact, support an immediate and unconditional lifting
of your beloved embargo."
http://groups.google.com/group/soc.culture.cuba/msg/3f1fe3a55c12d7d7?dmode=source&hl=en


YOUR own words:


'We should reduce tensions, not aggravate it, making it clear to the Cuban
government that we do not have hostile intentions toward them,'' Smith said
during a 40-minute speech at a conference titled Cuba and the United States:
Relations in Permanent Conflict, Causes, Effects and Solutions.
''I did not say lift the embargo without conditions,'' he said.


http://www.miami.com/mld/miamiherald/news/world/cuba/12157593.htm
You can enter after a free registration.


Permanent copy in the Cubaverdad archive:
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/CubaVerdad/message/16823


YOUR LIE about Amnesty International.
Another example of the same lie: putting words in people's mouth.


Do you deny that in your posts you put some snippets from the report
quoted below and on your site you also falsely claim about the same
report
that:


"Today, for the first time, Amnesty International has explicitly
denounced
the US embargo on Cuba in humanitarian terms, and made clear its
support for
the immediate and unconditional lifting of these cruel sanctions"


http://members.allstream.net/~dchris/CubaFAQ.html


Link to the "report": (the one you don't give)
http://web.amnesty.org/library/Index/ENGAMR250172003?open&of=ENG-CUB


They aren't calling for an "immediate and unconditional" end to the
trade
sanctions in that report. Aren't they?
Do you deny you snipped the words "immediate and unconditional" from
this
sentences in the report (THE ONLY PLACES WHERE THEY ARE USED):


"in 1.


"On the basis of the available information, therefore, Amnesty
International considers the 75 dissidents to be prisoners of
conscience(2) and calls for their immediate and unconditional
release."


In 8.1


"· to immediately and unconditionally release the 15 prisoners
previously named by Amnesty International as prisoners of conscience.


· to immediately and unconditionally release anyone else who is
detained or imprisoned solely for having peacefully exercised their
rights to freedom of expression, association and assembly."


and added to those snippets your own words to create this sentence on
your
lying website:


" Amnesty International has explicitly denounced
the US embargo on Cuba in humanitarian terms, and made clear its
support for
the immediate and unconditional lifting of these cruel sanctions"


that sentence:
1. isn't in the report
2. isn't supported by the tenure and the conclusions of the report


You snipped two three words used by Amnesty to condemn the Castro
regime and
abused them in a sentence to imply support for your cause: a BLATANT
LIE.


What the report actually recommends about the "embargo" is:


"Amnesty International calls on the United States government


· to immediately suspend decisions on any measures that could toughen
the embargo.
· to review its foreign and economic policy towards Cuba, with an aim
towards ending this damaging practice.
· to place enjoyment of the full range of human rights at the
forefront of its concerns in developing new policy towards Cuba."


Clearly no immediate and unconditional end is demanded as Dan claims.
The request is for not stiffening the sanctions and to review a policy
that places "enjoyment of the full range of human rights at the
forefront of its concerns".


See:
http://web.amnesty.org/library/Index/ENGAMR250172003?open&of=ENG-CUB

PL


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