Re: Cuba - Independent news agency editor beaten by 60 pro-government paramilitaries


"Miguel" <michaelgayoso1948@xxxxxxx> wrote in message
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> Dan Christensen wrote:
>> "Miguel" <michaelgayoso1948@xxxxxxx> wrote in message
>> news:1127877345.889043.190670@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
>> > Does it bother you that the same tyrant has been in power for 46 years?
>>
>> Cuba is more democratic than any country in the Americas. This despite
>> over
>> four decades of often violent aggression against the Cuban people that
>> continues to this day, mainly in the form of genocidal trade sanctions.
>
> More democratic than Canada? More democratic than the US? More
> democratic than Costa Rica? How about Chile and Brazil? They have
> socialist presidents.

More democratic than all of them. Every elected representative in Cuba,
including Fidel himself, must have the support of the majority of his/her
constitutents. And it costs nothing to run for and win any public office.
(For details, see "Democracy in Cuba" at my website.)


>>
>>
>> > Not even a little bit? Does it bother you that all the press is owned
>> > by the state?
>>
>> Would it be better if the press were owned by the rich oligarchs?
>> YES, YES, I can see you nodding!
>
> By the way, the Cuban oligarchy ceased to exist during our wars of
> independence. In Cuba, the rich were nouveau riche.
>

A typo. That should be: "Would it be better if the press were owned by rich
oligarchs?"


> To answer your question, if they were the only ones that could publish,
> the answer is no, I would not approve of it.

Yeah, right!


> However, they should have
> the right to publish their points of views. In Cuba, before Castro and
> Batista, there was complete freedom of the press. Even the Communists
> had two newspapers. One was called Hoy. The other I don't remember the
> name. There were many liberal newspapers. The conservatives had their
> newspapers, the Socialists, the Catholics, the Protestants.
>

As we have seen so many times in Latin America, privately owned media have
been used to destablize democratically elected governments with lies,
disinformation and incitement to violence. Given the relentless onslaught of
reactionary, imperialist forces, this sort of thing cannot be allowed.


> Even under Batista, most of the press was against his government. It
> never crossed his mind to confiscate them. Batista had to buy a
> newspaper called Pueblo to air his views. It was not until 1957 or 1958
> that Batista began censoring some articles. They were left blank for
> everyone to see. Effectively, the people knew they were being censored.
>>
>>
>> > Does it bother you that there is only one political
>> > party.
>>
>> The one party system is a necessary reaction to relentless US aggression
>> against the Cuban people meant to create divisions in Cuban society.
>> There
>> are many precedents of US interference and outright corruption of
>> multi-party elections elsewhere in the region. (See "Cuba Under Siege /
>> The
>> role of the US in Latin America and elsewhere" at my website.)
>
> Excuses, excuses.

Not excuses, but fully documented abuses by the CIA and their various front
organizations. (Philip Agee and others)


> This is pure nonsense. A one party system comes with
> all totalitarian systems, Nazism, Fascism or Communism. Castroism has
> borrowed some aspects of the three scourges of the 20th century.
>
>
>
>
>>
>> It should be noted that mandate of the Communist Party is subject to what
>> amounts to a plebiscite every 5 years. By secret ballot, Cuban voters
>> have
>> time and again shown their overwhelming support for their government and
>> system of socialist democracy (about 95%). (See "Democracy in Cuba" at my
>> website.)
>
> You can not possibly believe that nonsense. Sadam got 99% of the vote.
> I guess he was more democratic.
>

There have never been an credible allegations of vote fraud in Cuba -- not
since the Revolution anyway.

Just because your man, Dubya, was initially "elected" with the support of
less than 25% of the eligible voters -- even his opponent got more votes! --
doesn't mean that a truly democratic government like Cuba's cannot
reasonably get 95%.


>
>>
>>
>> > Does it bother you that 20% of the population is in exile?
>>
>> Not in the least.
>
> Nor does it bother that the great majority of the Cubans are against
> the regime.
>

Bullshit.


>
>>
>> Many Americans went or were forced into exile after the American
>> Revolution,
>> many fleeing to Canada to live under the British Crown. Seems they didn't
>> like the idea of everyone being equal. Little did they know...
>
>
>
>
>>
>> Does it bother YOU that Cuba, despite decades of genocidal US sanctions,
>> continues to lead Latin America in both health care and education?
>
> I guess you believe the statistics of a totalitarian system.

Your fellow embargo-Nazis here have tried to no avail over the years to find
even one independent expert that will back such outrageous claims --
sometime with quite comical results! There are plently of such experts,
however, who will back the remarkable achievements of the Revolution in
health care (and education) and the fact that Cuba is doing great job in
these areas.



> Too bad
> that many of my dead relatives who went to an early grave because of
> lack of medical attention can not speak. Your lies sicken me. You don't
> care about Cuba or the Cuban people. You are driven by hatred of
> democracy and hatred of the US. You truly have a totalitarian
> mentality!
>
>
>> Capitalism, it would seem, has nothing to offer the average Cuban, or
>> Latin
>> American for that matter. (See Featured Article, "What do Cubans stand to
>> lose and who stands to gain?" at my website.) Something tells me, you
>> couldn't care less, Miguel.
>
> You are wrong: Mi patria es Cuba. Mi patria no es Castro.
>>
>> > Does
>> > it bother you that 80 thousand Cubans have died trying to reach
>> > freedom?
>> >
>>
>> You can thank murderous US immigration policies that actually encourage
>> Cuban to risk their lives, all for US propaganda purposes. About 20,000
>> Cubans, however, emigrate legally every year to the US on regularly
>> scheduled flights from Havana.
>
> Why do they risk their lives to escape Communism?

The US government is actually complaining these days that the Cuban
authorities are not doing enough to intercept illegal immigrants! (recent
news)


The same thing
> happened in EAst Germany or Vietnam. It does not matter whether it is
> Communism, Fascism or Nazism, totalitarian countries become countries
> of emigrants not immigrants.
>
>
> Visit the truth. See the real suffering of the Cuban people under the
> Fascist/Communist dictatorship of Fidel Castro
>
> http://www.cubanet.org/cubanews.html
>

That is nothing more than a US funded propaganda organ, the only purpose of
which is to destablized the Cuban government with lies and disinformation.

See the Granma article at:
http://www.granma.cu/ingles/2003/julio/mar1/26bager.html

While there are other accounts in the mainstream media, this is naturally
the most detailed. PL's recent posting on this matter featured a confession
by one of these so-called "independent" journalists jailed for being a paid
collaborator of the genocidal Bush regime. On Cuban TV, he frankly admitted
the dissidents had "responded in one way or another to the interests of the
U.S."

Dan
Visit my CUBA: Issues & Answers website at
http://www.netcom.ca/~dchris/CubaFAQ.html


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