Re: Congressional staffer named to prepare for transition in Cuba


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>>>>>> Congressional staffer named to prepare for transition in Cuba
>>>>>> The Associated Press
>>>>>>
>>>>>> July 28, 2005, 5:03 PM EDT
>>>>>>
>>>>>> WASHINGTON -- Caleb McCarry, a veteran congressional staff expert on
>>>>>> Latin America, was appointed Thursday to a new State Department post
>>>>>> aimed at preparing for a peaceful transition to democracy in Cuba.
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> I would like to know who is going to be appointed to prepare for a
>>>>> peaceful transition to democracy in the USA!
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>> ``It is the responsibility of the civilized world to act to see that
>>>>>> the
>>>>>> Cuban family is reunited under political and economic freedom,''
>>>>>> McCarry
>>>>>> said at a State Department ceremony after being introduced by
>>>>>> Secretary
>>>>>> of State Condoleezza Rice.
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Economic "freedom?" You mean a Latin American-style, dog-eat-dog,
>>>>> free-for-all market economy? (snip
>>>>
>>>> Nope. He means freedom for a farmer to sell his produce.
>>>> Freedom for a person to set up a bakery and sell bread.
>>>>
>>>> (snip)
>>>>
>>>
>>> Again, capitalism just can't seem to deliver the goods for the vast
>>> majority
>>> in the region. Again, (snip)
>>
>> Cuba delivers hunger.
>>
>> Castro has admitted that before he took power there was NO hunger in
>> Cuba.
>>
>> Cuba, the "Pearl of the Antilles," though by no means a paradise, was
>> not,
>> as many believe, an economically backward country. Castro himself
>> admitted
>> that while there was poverty, there was no economic crisis
>> and no hunger in Cuba before the Revolution. (See Maurice Halperin: The
>> Rise
>> and Fall of Fidel Castro, University of California, 1972, pgs. 24, 25,
>> 37)
>>
>> http://dwardmac.pitzer.edu/anarchist_archives/bright/dolgoff/cubanrevolution/chapter7.html
>>
>
> Forget your "anarchist archives,"

Dan's usual attempt to discredit the source.
Those of you that have visited the page:
http://dwardmac.pitzer.edu/anarchist_archives/bright/dolgoff/cubanrevolution/chapter7.html
will have seen that the source is not other than the well known US leftwing
expert on Cuba Sam Dolgoff
http://dwardmac.pitzer.edu/Anarchist_Archives/bright/dolgoff/dolgoff.html
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sam_Dolgoff

They will also have noticed that the soource of the quote given is Maurice
Halperin, a US leftist persecited by Mc.Varthy and invited to Cuba as a
friend of Che Guevara.
http://www.answers.com/topic/maurice-halperin

More:
> Mr. Lobbyist.

As I said comrade Dan.
Every time you post that lie about me I post the truth about you. You can
not deny that you are a self declared Stalinist cyber activists who lives in
a nice 250,000 dollar suburban house in Canada (realtor site with images can
be given at your request) while playing the communist.
Stuck as you are without arguments all you have left are lies, personal
attacks and moronic innuendo

> Really, just how desperate are you? Here is what Britannica Online, about
> as mainstream a source as you can get, had to say about your "good old
> days" under Batista:

Not "my good old days" comrade Dan.
Batista was ruling with the help of the communists.
They denmounced the attack on the Moncada as bourgeois.

>
Theodore Draper quotes Anial Escalante, (before he was purged by Castro) one
of the leading communists, who admitted that:
...in reality, Cuba was not one of the countries with the lowest standard
of living of the masses in America, but on the contrary, one of the highest
standards of living, and it was here where the first great . . . democratic
social revolution of the continent burst forth. . . If the historical
development had been dictated by the false axiom [revolutions come first in
poorest countries] the revolution should have been first produced in Haiti,
Colombia or even Chile, countries of greater poverty for the masses than the
Cuba of 1958. . . (quoted in Draper's Castro's Revolution: Myths and
Realities; New York, 1962, p. 22)

http://dwardmac.pitzer.edu/anarchist_archives/bright/dolgoff/cubanrevolution/chapter7.html

> From a 1983 report you yourself have cited from the US-dominated OAS:
>
> "Foreign observers agree on the progress made in lowering the incidence of
> malnutrition in Cuba. (snip)

Malnutrition comrade Dan, not undernutrition (hunger) as today.

> From the UN Food and Agriculture Organization (FAO) website, we have:
(snip)

>From the WFP:
"Cuba is a low-income, food-deficit country. "
http://www.wfp.org/country_brief/indexcountry.asp?country=192

>> Now the rationing system only provides 1,378 Kcal (57% of daily
>> recommended
>> minimum) if all items arrives (which they don't).
>>
>
> Much to your chagrin, the libreta system (what you call the "rationing
> system" here) is not only the source of food.

So please explain how and at what prices people can get additional food.
A good monthmy salary is $10-15

>> "The Government subsidized ration is a food basket distributed to the
>> general population monthly through special outlets. This ration provides
>> 1,378 Kcals and 45.8 grams of protein. The assessment mission observed
>> during the visit to the affected provinces that this food basket is not
>> always available, with the most common missing items being meat, eggs,
>> oil
>> and chicken. The actual Government food basket distributed supplies only
>> 550
>> Kcals and 23 grams of protein. This is a reflection of the decline in
>> production and the lack of hard currency for food imports. This emergency
>> operation is meant to guarantee a certain level of Kcal and proteins (see
>> Annex III) to the most vulnerable groups in the affected provinces who
>> have
>> few coping mechanisms to deal with the shortfalls in the government
>> rationing"
>> http://www.reliefweb.int/rw/rwb.nsf/AllDocsByUNID/5c27eb5c129e9223c1256680002cd542
>>
>
> See previous link.
>
>
>> 773,000 people in Oriente needed WFP food aid even before the hurricane
>> http://www.invertia.com/notici as/noticia.asp?idnoticia=13136 78
>> http://www.ipsnews.org/new_not a.asp?idnews=29146
>> and Castro refuses aid from the European Union and USA after the
>> hurricane.
>> http://www.miami.com/mld/miamiherald/news/world/cuba/12120030.htm
>
> The US pledged only $50,000

and Cuba accepted the same amount from the UN at the same time while CAstro
also claimed that he would reject a billion dollar.
Europe even had not mentioned any amounts.
The amount is not the issue comrade Dan.

(snip)
> At any rate, Venezuela and WFP provided sufficient aid with no political
> strings attached.

and your source?
Isn't tow bags of rice better than one?
Do all 773,000 needy people in Oriente now have all they need?
Post your proof you cynical liar.

>> Your comadante is a criminal and is with reason placed on the list of
>> Genocide Watch as guilty of the death of thousands.
>> www.genocidewatch.org/genodicetable.htm
>>
(snip)

Nope.
A guy that refuses aid while more than 773,000 are in need is a criminal.

>>>>> Cuba is already one of the most democratic nations in the Americas.
>>>> (snip)
>>>>
>>>> False, as the UN has clearly stated:
>>>>
>>>> The UN's assessment of the so called elections is correct:
>>>> "the electoral process is so tightly controlled that the final phase,
>>>> the
>>>> voting itself, could be dispensed with without the final result being
>>>> substantially affected"
>>>>
>>>> See: http://www.hri.ca/fortherecord1998/vol4/cubachr.htm
>>>>
>>>
>>> This is not a statement of the UN. It is the work of a single
>>> committee,
>> (snip)
>>
>> appointed by the UN in a UN sanctioned report.
>>
>
> It was not voted on by the UN General Assembly(snip)

the report was accepted and never rejected.
Get real comrade Dan.

>>>> For the local elections candidates are nominated in open meetings run
>>>> by
>>>> the CDR (Committees to Defend the Revolution) [1] that are closely
>>>> linked
>>>> to police and security forces.
>>>
>>> The membership of the CDR is just the vast majority in every
>>> neighbourhood
>>> of the island. (snip)
>>
>> as not being a member can result in loss of housing, job, education, ....
>> More on the infamous CDR:
>> http://www.cubaverdad.net/cdr.htm
>>
>> On February 1, officials held a public meeting in which they criticized
>> Yerofor not voting for Communist candidates and for not participating in
>> thelocal CDR; according to press reports, she received an eviction notice
>> thefollowing day.http://pcmlp.socleg.ox.ac.uk/transition/issue07/cuba.htm
>> On February 1, 1999, the police and housing officials called her
>> neighborsto a public meeting, where it appears, they declared that Mrs.
>> Sara Yero hadnot voted for Communist Party candidates and did not belong
>> to the localCommittee for the Defense of the Revolution. The next day,
>> Margarita SaraYero received a written eviction notice.Human Rights
>> Watch/Americas, op. cit., World Report 2000, p.
>> 28.http://www.cidh.oas.org/annualrep/99eng/Chapter4.htm
>
> Here is the follow-up from Amnesty International that Mr. Lobbyist doesn't
> want you to see:
>
> "In January 1999 Margarita Sara Yero, an independent journalist working
> for Cuba Press in Santiago de Cuba province, was reportedly informed that
> she had to vacate the home where she had lived for some 35 years. The
> reason given by the authorities was reportedly that she "had abandoned her
> home and was the owner of another". Margarita Yero's lawyer then wrote to
> the Dirección Municipal de Vivienda, Municipal Housing Office, with
> signatures from neighbours confirming that she had never abandoned her
> home. However, on 2 February 1999 she reportedly received a reply to the
> letter stating that she would be evicted on 4 February 1999. Due to help
> from various local organizations and a statement by an old friend who
> confirmed that she had been living in that place since 1963, the eviction
> was not carried out."
> http://www.asyl.net/Magazin/Docs/docs-12/l7059cub.htm
>
> So much for your lies, (snip)

No lies.
A clear example of intimidation that you have confirmed.
You also have not denied that the reason stated for the intimidation was not
correct.
Not "playing along" with the CDR will get you in to trouble.

>>>> They report and sanction dissent. Prison
>>>> terms of 4 years threaten those that openly oppose the regime [2] in
>>>> that
>>>> public meeting filled with informants. People not supporting can be
>>>> threatened with losing their home [3], job, ....
>>>>
>>>
>>> As you would expect, those in the pay of the US regime and working with
>>> them
>>> to subvert Cuba's socialist democracy (snip)
>>
>> there is no democracy in Cuba.
>> Only a totalitarian regime.
>> http://www.cubaverdad.net/totalitarian_system.htm
>>
>
> Already debunked here.

Nope.
Chicken Dan runs again.

>>>> These "candidates" then are to be approved by "electoral committees"
>>>> stuffed with representatives of the
>>>> communists front organizations (see the Cuban electoral law) [4].
>>>
>>> In Cuban elections, candidates are actually nominated by the people
>>> themselves in open public meetings in each neighbourhood(snip)
>>
>> but at the local level they need to be approved by organizations run by
>> the regime
>
> No. They only have to be nominated by their neighbours in open public
> meetings. If you have evidence to the contrary, please post it here.

False.
The need approval from the Comisiones de Candidaturas Artículo 68.- Las
Comisiones de Candidaturas se integran por representantesde la Central de
Trabajadores de Cuba, de los Comités de Defensa de laRevolución, de la
Federación de Mujeres Cubanas, de la Asociación Nacionalde Agricultores
Pequeños, de la Federación Estudiantil Universitaria y de laFederación de
Estudiantes de la Enseñanza Media, designados por lasdirecciones nacionales,
provinciales y municipales respectivas, a solicitudde las Comisiones
Electorales Nacional, Provinciales y Municipales.En el caso que una de las
organizaciones de masas carezca de representaciónen algún municipio se
designará un representante por la dirección provincialcorrespondiente.
Artículo 69.- Las Comisiones de Candidaturas son presididas por
unrepresentante de la Central de Trabajadores de Cuba.
http://www.georgetown.edu/pdba/Electoral/Cuba/cuba.html
>> and at the national level the candodates are even proposed by these
>> organizations, no?
>
> Again, the democratically and competitively elected Municipal Assemblies
> have the final say on nominations in a secret vote. (snip)

but they can only vote on those "proposed" by these organizations, can't
they?
The candidates are "pre-selected" by the regime.
You can't deny that.

>> You can't hide the truth comrade Dan.
>>
>>>> For national elections the local "elected candidates" at the local
>>>> level
>>>> can "select" candidates from a restricted list drawn up by the
>>>> communist
>>>> front organizations [5].
>>>>
>>>
>>> Actually, the final say in nominations for national elections falls to
>>> the
>>> local, democratically and competitively elected Municipal Assemblies.
>>> They
>>> do so in a secret vote.(snip)
>>
>> but on a selected list that these organizations under the control of the
>> regime have provided, no?
>>
>> From the website of a Canadian Stalinist: The various mass
>> organizations - unions, students' and women's federations,etc. - play an
>> active role in the nomination of candidates. In eachmunicipality, they
>> will conduct a candidate search and present theirrecommendations to the
>> Municipal Assembly who may accept or reject any orall of them by a secret
>> vote.
>> http://members.allstream.net/~dchris/CubaFAQ003.html
>
> We know that you would rather have (snip)

the freedom for all to stand as a candidate, yes.

>>>>>> In introducing McCarry, Rice described some of the ways the United
>>>>>> States is putting pressure on Castro's government.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> ``We are working to deny resources to the Castro regime to break its
>>>>>> blockade on information and to broadcast the truth about its
>>>>>> deplorable
>>>>>> treatment of the Cuban people,'' Rice said.
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Broadcast to whom? (snnip)
>>>>
>>>> Sadly for you the "information blockade" of Castro is not 100%
>>>> 'news-tight"
>>>> http://www.cubaverdad.net/freedom_of_speech.htm
>>>>
>>>
>>> Sadly for you, the truth about Cuba is getting out (snip)
>>
>> Nope.
>> I am very happy to see that the "May 1968" myth about Cuba is completely
>> destroyed and that hiundreds of reports from international organizations
>> have exposed the lies.
>>
>
> Much to the chagrin of all of you on the extreme right,(snip)

I am a democrat.
You are extreme left.

>> Links to more than 70 human rights reports: www.cubaverdad.net
>>
>>>>>> For nearly 50 years, she said, ``The regime of Fidel Castro has
>>>>>> condemned the people of Cuba to a tragic fate of repression and
>>>>>> poverty.''
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> It seems the supposed benefits Latin American-style capitalism have
>>>>> yet
>>>>> to
>>>>> be realized for the vast majority in the region. Socialist Cuba, with
>>>>> one
>>>>> arm tied behind its back (your beloved embargo), already leads the
>>>>> region
>>>>> in
>>>>> the all important areas of health and education. (snip)
>>>>
>>>> only if you believe Castro's "politically influenced" statistics, no?
>>>>
>>>
>>> Sadly for you, the overwhelming consensus of expert opinion is that
>>> Cuba is
>>> indeed doing a remarkable job in health and education. (snip)
>>
>> you don't deny that international experts and local doctors have reported
>> that Cuba's "statistics" are as politically influenced as its
>> calculations of GNP I see.
>> Castro "doctors" and "cooks" the books comrade Dan.
>> That is a well known fact.
>>
>
> Sadly, you have never been able to provide any convincing evidence to back
> these outrageous claims,(snip)

False.


" People emigrating from Cuba or visiting Cuba, including international
health
representatives, have reported that it is in line with Cuban Government
policy to report mild cases of dengue as "influenza". Cuban physicians
have confirmed allegations that some disease reporting in Cuba is
politically
influenced (e.g., if dengue were declared wiped out, then physicians could
report the disease only as influenza-like symptoms)."
"WHO and the PanAmerican Health Organization (WHO's Regional Office for the
Western Hemisphere) cannot
report to the world without clearance from the Cuban government."


See: www.promedmail.org Archive Number 19970627.1390



PL


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