Re: China, land of thugs and incompetents

I just read the first couple of paragraphs before realizing you have
no idea what you are talking about. Go to the Beijing Olympics and
see the country for yourself.



On Aug 6, 3:41 am, Kent Paul Dolan <xanth...@xxxxxxxx> wrote:
(David P.) wrote:

 > In soc.culture.china, rst0wxyz <rst0w...@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
 >> "(David P.)" <imbibe @ mindspring.com> wrote:

Been up to more of your usual trolling mischief, eh,
Pollutka? You are truly well ranked among the scum
of the earth.

 >>> In talk.bizarre, talk.politics.misc,
 >>> Kent Paul Dolan <xanth...@xxxxxxxx> wrote:

 >>>> China, once one of the major civilizations in
 >>>> the world, has descended into thuggery &
 >>>> incompetence.

 >> The scum liars are spreading lies already.

Hardly, since the Chinese government has publicly
admitted the attacks on the Japanese journalists,
and moreover has publicly apologized for the events
and promised to pay for medical attention as needed
by the journalists.

Instead, it is you who are producing knee-jerk
dishonest denials of well documented facts obvious
to every civilized observer.

Did Pollutka perhaps snip the link to the news
article documenting the abuses? That's fairly
typical behavior for him, he's a brain damaged
former alcoholic sociopath with neither reason,
nor ethics, nor morals available to him at his
beck and call.

 >> You should first go to China and see for yourself
 >> what the country is like before you do anything.

Well, first, I can't, a former Top Secret clearance
included a lifetime prohibition for me from visiting
Communist countries. Funny about what a bad idea
that would be.

I have however been as close as Hong Kong, which is
now a part of China by one of history's minor
tragedies [as opposed to Tibet being "part of China"
by one of history's major atrocities]. Hong Kong was
no brilliant example of sweetness and light, but was
instead an economy of wildly inequitable
distribution of wealth, maintained that way in favor
of the rich only by brutal use of force.

I also spent 18 months tutoring a Chinese national
through a Master's degree, and found out from being
among gatherings of Chinese students at that
university that they were all frightened out of
their wits to discuss politics, lest one among them
be a spy for the Chinese government who would call
death squads to eliminate them for doing so. They
claimed that fear was based on that very thing
having happened, repeatedly.

Now, I live with someone who spent a long time in
China while her then husband was on business there
for Northwest Airlines. The descriptions of thuggery
in China then resonate pretty exactly with the
descriptions of thuggery in China now.

For example, though she and her husband arrived by
pre-arrangement with the Chinese government, they
were immediately incarcerated in stark jail cells
which were part of the airport complex, on no
charges or even excuse at all, until they paid
sufficient bribes to the airport customs officers to
get themselves free.

For example, she was forbidden to travel without a
government provided spy on her behavior with her
every moment.

The stuff I know on my own recognizance is not all I
know about Chinese brutality and its current lack of
civilization, of course. I read a lot of research
material that most people never bother to find (like
congressional subcommittee hearing proceedings on
slave labor in China).

There are, for example, also the well documented
prison slave labor situations which are violations
of international law and many treaties, ongoing in
China.

There are, for example, the numerous parts of the
Internet placed "off limits" to all of China,
because the government is terrified of the possible
outcome of its citizens learning exactly how poorly
their nation's behavior is perceived by others, with
which information the citizens might well take up
(and justifiably) the same attitudes themselves. A
government which must hide the truth to survive is a
government of thugs, full stop.

[Yes, we have one of those in the US just now. The
difference is, I am free to say so and have what I
say read by my fellow citizens, a privilege no
Chinese national enjoys, one more vote against
China being "civilized".]

There are, for example, the public executions and
public organ harvesting before mass audiences
(probably compelled to attend so as to be terrorized
by the lesson) in stadiums in China, of those who
have committed what in the civilized world would be
white collar crimes usually barely punished at all
or at most by a few months in jail.

In China, Martha Stewart would have been shot out of
hand for a trumped up charge of "insider trading".

Here in the US, she is back to presenting her useful
home economics TV show and running her company.

Which would you call a civilized outcome?

There are, for example, the forced abortions, and
neighbor set to spy on neighbor to alert the
authorities as to  when it is time to capture a
woman trying to hide a pregnancy, and drag the
fetus, no matter how close to birth, in pieces from
her womb.

Between mass executions, executions for trivial
offenses, forced abortion, and unprovoked slaughter
aiming toward genocide committed in neighboring
nations like Tibet, it is more than obvious that
China the nation sets exactly no value on human
life, what with finding itself with a current
surplus of humans. That level of indifference also
is an example of being uncivilized.

There are, for example, the numerous lengthy
jailings of reporters and private citizens, often
with no trial or only a sham trial with no legal
counsel to represent them, in part because the
government has threatened and intimidated the
lawyers who should be performing this role, for the
"crime" of criticizing a government which in the
case is only worthy of criticism.

As for incompetence, the ongoing _intensely stupid_
demonstrations by the Chinese government of
blatantly uncivilized behavior, under the glaring
spotlight of the approaching Olympics, despite that
"profiting by looking good hosting the Olympics and
thus being accepted as a first world nation" has
been the goal toward which USD$80,000,000,000 so far
has been spent by them, intended to produce good
will, only instead to have it squandered by bad
publicity accompanying this behavior, convey that
China is not only no longer civilized, but that
after all these years of rule by tyrants, its
government doesn't even remember any more what
"being civilized" entails, and moreover, doesn't
know how to fake it.

The other example of incompetence from the news
article was that a simple elevated platform for
reporters to use from which to do broadcasts from
Tienamin Square, has somehow been "too difficult" to
accomplish in the several years since Beijing won
the 2008 Olympics. More than likely it wasn't even
begun until recent nasty world-wide criticism of
reporters being excluded by the Chinese government
from Tienamin Square forced a policy reversal.

More incompetence is conveyed by the current plan to
let reporters into the Square only if they "call for
an appointment" to a phone which, last I heard, no
one was answering. I'm of the impression that the
entire journalism contingent at the Olympic games
could comfortably fit in that large public Square
and be pretty much unnoticed among a crowd there.
So, what does this "appointment requirement" look
like on the world stage? Yet another attempt by the
Chinese government to break its agreement that
reporters would have free access there, is what.

China is so far from civilized now, "being
civilized" is visible in no possible direction for
its culture to proceed from its present situation.

That situation will endure until the current
government is replaced by the mass efforts of
citizens in such revulsion at their present lack of
usual civil rights, that they would rather risk
their lives than any longer endure such tyranny and
oppression.

Since the Chinese government today is clueless about
the trappings of civilization China is better
advised to try to fall back on past glories and hope
no one notices its abject present failings to engage
in civilized behavior.

Most likely, China will either die of the current
and ongoing horrific pollution caused by wallowing
in its own uncontrolled industrial wastes dumped on
land and into rivers that they sterilize and poison,
with no effective environmental protections, or else
undertake some idiotic military misadventure
intended to distract attention from national woes
and thus prevent revolution at home, only
delightfully instead to get China nuked back to the
era of single-celled life forms.

Collapsing into civil war, and nuking _itself_ back
to pre-Cambrian life forms, is another possibility,
of course. There are _lots_ of minorities in China,
the population size of whole nations elsewhere, who
are treated as not quite human because they are not
part of the ethnic majority, and who would be more
than willing to start the ball rolling.

xanthian, former maintainer of nuclear weapons aimed
at China, and thus moderately conversant with what I
discuss here.

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