Re: Canadian MP refutes Charles Liu by name!

I read the first paragraph in the link you provided, they said
"Charles Liu is not even a Chinese". What a laugh!!! I dont even
have to read further...

CL, those anti-China fanatics said you are not Chinese, you should sue
them for their live organs, haha!

Bill, you should not post this link again! :^))

As for 64 TAM incident, former PRC Defense Minister said no one died,
that's a proof of shameless PRC officials!!!

There are jackass in PRC government and also in anti-China camp!!!


On Nov 30, 6:11 pm, bmo...@xxxxxxx wrote:
On Nov 30, 2:54 pm, "abianc...@xxxxxxxxxxx" <abianc...@xxxxxxxxxxx>
wrote:

I was saying that article in the link you provided quoting from the
Epoch Times which has been proved very unreliable.

No, the article does not quote from Epoch times, though it does
mention that an Epoch Times reporter has accused Charles of working
for the Chinese government, which I don't believe, and also of trying
to spread confusion, which I think might be true. I agree that the
Epoch Times has credibility issues, but

I remember CL argued that PRC did not remove organs from FLG followers
alive as those anti-China activists claimed and CL did provide some
evidence.

He may or may not be right about that. As I have said many times, my
politics are in some ways closer to Charles' than to many on this NG,
but I object strongly to his tactics. What do you think of this line
from the article?

http://organharvestinvestigation.net/media/WesternStandard_040907.htm

He [Liu] doesn't really explain, when asked, why he started a blog
last year called "The Myth of Tiananmen Square Massacre" under the
name of Bobby Fletcher (one of his online aliases, which he also uses
to comment on the Western Standard's online blog). On that blog, he
pushes the minimal 250 casualty figure that the Chinese government has
always maintained died that night in 1989 (more reliable estimates put
the figure at at least ten times that).





On Nov 30, 3:31 pm, bmo...@xxxxxxx wrote:

On Nov 30, 4:22 am, abian_c...@xxxxxxxxx wrote:

Ha, Bill, the link you provided mentioning Epoch Times etc, Epoch
Times does not have much credibility in SCC (basically ruined by Micky
Wong, haha!) so I suspected the article does not have much credibility
either.

But it's not an Epoch Times link. Anyway, the article originally
appeared in an on-line Canadian newspaper. Would you like more
information?

My understanding about so-called "Organ Harvest" is that PRC
government has already admitted that in the past they have taken
organs from inmates with death penalty right after they died and PRC
government has promised they will no longer "force" inmates to do so
if they do not want to. As rumor for taking organs from FLG followers
alive, I dont believe it and there's no evidence for it. "Organ
Harvest"?! What an evil name given by anti-China activists that only
demonstrates how evil those people are too!!!

So give a balance view when you read their viewpoints as well as
CL's!!!

I have been trying to make it clear that I am not saying that the
organ-harvesting claimes are necessarily true, just that Charles'
approach leaves much to be desired.

On Nov 29, 1:08 pm, bmo...@xxxxxxx wrote:

On Nov 28, 7:54 pm, CharlesLiu <chliu...@xxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:

On Nov 27, 8:50 pm, "ltl...@xxxxxxxxxxx" <ltl...@xxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:

On Nov 27, 8:37 pm, demoris...@xxxxxxx wrote:

On Nov 27, 8:12 pm, bmo...@xxxxxxx wrote:

On Nov 27, 4:55 pm, CharlesLiu <chliu...@xxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:

On Nov 27, 1:14 pm, "ltl...@xxxxxxxxxxx" <ltl...@xxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:

On Nov 27, 2:20 pm, demoris...@xxxxxxx wrote:

On Nov 27, 8:35 am, "fyfp...@xxxxxxxxx" <fyfp...@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:

On 11月27日, 下午4时20分, PaPaPeng <PaPaP...@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:

On Mon, 26 Nov 2007 23:17:16 -0800 (PST), "fyfp....@xxxxxxxxx"

<fyfp...@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
On Nov 27, 3:02 pm, PaPaPeng <PaPaP...@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
On Mon, 26 Nov 2007 20:06:37 -0800 (PST), "fyfp...@xxxxxxxxx"

<fyfp...@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
Then what should in your view be the criteria, quantitative or
qualitaive?

That sounds like gobbledygook. I'll just write what I have in mind
later. I'll like to hear your views too. I remember you teach in
Guangzhou. You asked the question first and must have some idea.

I think it is almost impossible to make criteria of this kind. In the
first place, data are lacking.

That said, if you could come up with data from the national police
bureau on social disturbances throughout the entire country, and
measure the rate of growth of disturbances against the rate of
economic growth, perhaps we can get something going. The reason why I
use rate of disturbance change is because social disturbances hinder
the development of economic forces. Thus by measuring social
disturbance increase against economic growth,
we can at least see whether or not the political development in China
is moving in harmony with its economic
development.

You are describing petty police matters. I have no interest in such
matters. The grand title of your question was how do Chinese want to
govern themselves? If you get that right policing will be almost
irrelevant.

My question is whether the political development in China falls short
of its economic progress. There is no an easy answer to this
question, especially in view of the fact that the data is not
accessible on many fronts.

I am no quantitative political scientist, and i wonder how much
political reality that a quantitative political scientist can tell.

All I can suggest is for someone who has lived overseas for many years
to come to China and live here for a while and make a comparison.

According to this provocative article by Spengler, modern political
development (democracy) is only possible in societies with a sense of
humility:

http://www.atimes.com/atimes/Middle_East/IK20Ak01.html

He doesn't mention China.

I agree with humulity.
The first of all humulity is that we don't know a lot of things. And
hence we don't know whether certain cultural practice is the best.
Similarly we don't know whether certain political is the best, or "the
end of history" politiical system. Guess which country thinks its
system is the best and all countries should follow its example?

Let me take a guess - the country that had slavery for 300 years
where, obviously, as an apartheid nation political development was
shamefully lagging behind economic developoment?

Slavery for 300 years? Um, Charles, the USA that you hate so much
isn't even 300 years old now. And as an American with liberal
leanings, I implore of you: become a right-winger, please! Your
screeds are embarrassing. Though responding to them is easier than
shooting fish in a barrel.

An interesting article from the Western Standard (Alberta) titled
"Sowing Confusion" on Charles Liu (aka Bobby Fletcher):

http://organharvestinvestigation.net/media/WesternStandard_040907.htm...

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Thumbs up for CL.
FLG is indeed hysterical.

Of course demon has nothing to say about the facts presented,
including BO ignoring the fact slavery in America prepdated formal
independence from Britian.

What a week, first demon responds to an article written in Chinese,
now publically profess love for Falun Gong newspaper Epoch Times.. The
reporter quoted is FLG disciple Jana Shearer from Australia, who got
caught attacking other bloggers with "Chinese spy" accustions:

http://falungongpolitics.blogspot.com/2007/04/epoch-times-reporters-g...

Demon knows I've been in SCC for 10 years, but don't let the facts get
in the way...

Charles is a star! Well, more of a dim bulb.

http://organharvestinvestigation.net/media/WesternStandard_040907.htm

Former Canadian MP David Kilgour, who co-authored a report on China's
macabre organ harvesting industry, has received many propaganda e-
mails from Liu. For instance, Liu has written repeatedly that a U.S.
congressional committee looked into the organ harvesting allegations
and found nothing. "[David] Matas and I gave evidence to that
subcommittee and got support from both the Republican chairman and the
Democratic vice-chair," says Kilgour. "I just came to the conclusion
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