Re: Why Muslims are hated?


burmese_mohammad@xxxxxxxxx wrote:
> Judging from your reply it seem clear that just as Muslims do not know
> how to respect other religions, you have no clue on how to respect
> other human being and their opinions.

Now, you are stereotpying all Muslims as as people who do not respect
other religions.
>
> And yet, you shout the words of Democracy.
>
> I can understand those who do not have conscious and are willing and
> able to kill innocent women, children and elders to be with Seventy-Two
> virgins awaiting for them in heaven and their supporters can and will
> say anything.

If you really think these suicide bombers kill to go to see 72 virgins,
you have no clue how they feel about the west consipiring with the Jews
controlling their land.

>
> I am not like you and will not lower to your level and belittle others
> like you. I do not who you are and I do not know you enough to make
> complete judgmental statement on you like you do. Like "you are too
> dumb". End of quote.
>
> Your blind statements and wildly denouncing others will portray your
> true personality as a Muslim and as a person.
Do all Muslims have *one* personality?

> I will be happy enough if
> I can bring out your true Muslim personality and show to this forum
> crowd the true intentions of a Muslim.
>
> Please also be aware that I am only expressing my opinions with facts
> and bad behaviors, I have notice with Muslims and their quest to
> expand, conquer and control others society.
So *all* Muslims wants to conquer and expand? And also, no other group
have the same ambition? How about Aung Ze Ya?

>
> I started my life as a poor taw thar from a small village near Bago
> (Pegu). I came from a humble poor background but I was a good student
> and wanted to read and learn. I learn my English from picking up unused
> newspapers. I came to Myo from Taw and slaved for my distant cousins
> because I wanted to go to school in a bigger city. My mother cried and
> cried when I left.
>
> My best friend at Myo (town) was a spoiled son of a judge from U Nu
> generation. They were Yakine Muslims. To make the story short, my
> friend passed matriculation because of me. I was his private tutor. He
> is now a big shot Lawyer, married to a doctor.

>I saw their photo at Myanmar Times society section.
There is no way a Muslim will have this type of acknowledgement in
current day Burmese society run by thugs.

> I was truly happy to see my old
> friend smiling. One day he took me to a restaurant and I ordered pork for me
> and surprisingly he picked up the pieces and asked me if that was not
> pork. I smiled and winked at him and said, "No, it is not". Since
> then he became a kalar-phyet. When his father found out, he was mad
> like hell. My friend had to go to the mosque and the Iman told him how
> he would go to hell and all such lies. His extended family came down
> real hard on him. I was the devil. His father who was always nice to me
> because I helped his only son reached college told me he never wanted
> to see my face again. I never did. Thru my best friend I heard and
> learned about the money this Iman was offering to get Burmese girls
> converted to Islam. They targeted poor young girls.

Now how do we know that you story is true? How do we know that you
are not a propagandist?


>My friend was very fair-minded and had a big heart. He was suffering seeing the abuses
> done in the name of his religion and what Islam is teaching: expansion
> of Islam and conversion of others to Islam at all cost. We talked and
> discussed and I must say that I did influence him and now his wife had
> converted him to Buddhism and he is a very religious Buddhist. (may the
> lord Buddha be pleased)

Obviously. you don't understand Buddhism either. I know a Buddhist man
from Burma who told me that one doesn't not need to convert form Islam
to practise Buddhism. This level of understandign Buddhism may be
beyond you. Of course, for a Muslim (or a Christian) to believe in
many lives would automatically means they he/she is not a Muslim (or a
Christain). The point is that you guys are not interested in people
(Muslims) embracing Buddhism as much as Muslims denouncing Islam. In
another word, this is bias and prejudice. If you as a Buddhist is so
content being a Buddhist, he/she doesn't need to keep pounding tohers
for not becoing Buddhist. That's my humble opinion anyway.


>
> And yet, without knowing any background story you came out and
> dismissed it blindly as NO! This shows how small-minded you are.
>
> When the day come and I close my eyes to take my last breath, I will
> smile and die happily with the knowledge that I helped convert one
> Muslim to Buddhism.

Do you think that you will look favorbale to Buddha because of that, o
clueless?


> It can be done and we the people of all religion should take our oath
> to show and bring truth to Muslims and change and win their hearts to
> convert to any religion other than Islam.
How much do you know about Islam? Do you know that Islam states that
everyone has a right to choose whatever they want to belive in? Would
you understand the line " Your religion is yours and my religion is
mine". Yes, that's a statement from Islam. it emans that no one is to
judge a nother for they believe in. If you don't know what Islam is,
then learn form god sources instead of learning the version of
uneducated bearded men's version supported and financed by those with
wealthy and educated people with political agenda.


>We must explore to use Muslim women to convert as the Muslims did with other
> women.

There are two ways to get people from one religion to another: use
money tp persuade or appeal to theire pysche. If a philosophy fits a
person well, that person will choose what works well for his/her mind,
provided that there will be no repuercussion from his community.

At another Burmese frind's house, I have met a couple of educated
Burman (from Buddhist background) converting to Islam after travelling
the world and being exposed to Islam as well as one man from Buddihst
bckground who eloped with his Muslim's boss sister. The family has
been very good to him, just as he has been very loyal to them. And
being from the poor background from some other town, he converted and
continued with work with this family and ended up in US. But who is to
say that he didn't come to believe in Islam. After all, the people he
was working for had set a good example how to treat another human
being. Note, they never asked him to convert while at the same time,
they didn't abandon him when he eloped with the girl. Of course, at
first, the big brother was mad.

>
> You Muslim like to boast that there are over a Billion Muslims all over
> the world. There are a Billion Hindu(s) and there are 2.5 Billions
> Christians in this world. Roman Catholic Church alone has a Billion
> worshippers and yet, no one was boasting except the Muslims.

Most of the Chrisian world is secularized and their children don't even
know what Christianity.

> For your information, it is not Islam but Mormon Church is the fastest growing
> religion in today's world.

When you say "For your information" who are you addressing to. I sure
don't remmeber asking you for any information.

>
> Muslim wants freedom of religion in others religions' stronghold but
> Muslim do not let anyone enter Mecca, if you are Non-Muslim.

Here we go again. Does Saudi Arbia represent all Muslims. If so, you
are clueless.

>
> Every religion at least preaches "Thou Shall Not Kill", or do not
> condone KILLING.
> No, it is OK in Islam to Kill "Infidels".

And you know for sure that that's what Islam says?

I am going to save my time and stop here with one comment. You have
bene reading the wrong books and website. If you want to learn about
Islam and its history, get a hold of El Posito' books. Here is one:
The Oxford History of Islam (Hardcover); ISBN: 0195107993

Here is a comment from a reader:

An invaluable introduction, October 10, 2001
Reviewer: J. A Magill (Sacramento, CA USA) - See all my reviews

Esposito produces an excellent readable history of Islam and its
powerful impacts on Western Civilization. Espositio gathered a large
number of scholars, each to produce a different chapter covering issues
like math, philosophy, politics, etc. While no single volume could
cover so vast a subject, the reader is left with what is almost
certainly the best introduction to Islam.
While many people, unfortunately, have bought Karen Armstrong's Short
History of Islam, this text is far superior in almost every way. Not
only is it more thorough and better written, it also deals with Islam
from within as well as from without. Islamic culture is examined not
from the perspective of an outsider with rose colored glasses, but from
several distinguished and Muslim and non-Muslim scholars with a firm
background in the subject.

There is not doubt that no single volume could do all of Islamic
history justice. However, this book with its rich photographs and
strong prose, is probably as good an introduction as you could get
under a single cover.

Another one:
A good history, July 10, 2003
Reviewer: Kurt Messick "FrKurt Messick" (Bloomington, IN USA) - See all
my reviews

Occasionally people look at my bookshelves and think that there is some
sort of unofficial Oxford Press day at Fr. Kurt's house. There is a
good reason why so many of my books carry the indenture of Oxford
University Press -- there is a general level of scholarly quality that
such books rarely fall below.
The Oxford History of Islam

One such quality book is John Esposito's recent volume on the history
of Islam. Published in 1999, this one might well have included the word
Illustrated in the title, for it is lavishly illustrated throughout
with pictures, photographs, maps, and drawings. It provides a
wide-ranging and in-depth account of Islam. `Although Islam is the
youngest of the major world religions, with 1.2 billion followers,
Islam is the second largest and fastest-growing religion in the world.
To speak of the world of Islam today is to refer not only to countries
that stretch from North Africa to Southeast Asia but also to Muslim
minority communities that exist across the globe. Thus, for example,
Islam is the second or third largest religion in Europe and the
Americas.'

This is an accessible volume -- technical terms have been kept to a
minimum, and the writing is cast in a readable, narrative format. Yet
this volume is still of good service to scholars and specialists, with
indexing and chapter topics that are arranged conceptually as well as
chronologically. Including both Muslim and non-Muslim scholars, the
contributors are experts in different disciplines and come from a
variety of national and religious backgrounds.

The first section of the book covers the beginnings of Islam: the
development of faith and scripture in the Koran, community and
institutional development, early personalities in Islam, and
contributions to art and science. Included in this section is the early
interactions of Christianity and Islam, which have provided in many
ways the continuing framework of tension between the West and the
Muslim world.

The second section of the book looks at the decline of Islam as an
'imperial' religion, and the splintering of the Muslim world into
kingdoms, sultanates and smaller bodies inside other political
structures -- these various groupings provided different bases for
Islam, which in turn developed differing regional expressions in terms
of practice and outlook.

The next sections address the developments of colonialism and the
post-colonial problems and opportunities that face Islam, both in
political and religious terms, as well as the relationship of Islam to
the modern world both at it impacts Islam in countries officially
Muslim as well as in more pluralistic nations. `At the dawn of the
twenty-first century, Islam is indeed a global presence that blurs old
distinctions between the Muslim world and the West. Islam is truly a
world religion, necessitating coverage of both Islam and the West and
Islam in the West.'

Tracing an early history of Islam presents many of the same problems
encountered in doing such for any religion -- to what extent can the
scholars remain objective? What does objectivity mean? To what extent
can scriptural and traditional sources of stories be regarded as
historically authoritative, and to what extent have details been
changed to achieve other, more religious ends? Little is known (in the
historically authoritative sense) about the Prophet Muhammad's early
life. Apart from the Koran, most of the texts with historical
information about Muhammad and the early years of Islam were recorded
later, perhaps (like the New Testament or the Hebrew Scriptures) by
people who chose to emphasise some items and overlook other details
that do not conform with what modern scholars are hoping for in their
research.

Well indexed, with timelines and other reference aids, this is a great
volume for scholarly work as well as for interesting reading about this
religion which impacts with great importance on the world scene. Many
Christians tend to forget that Islam grows out the traditions of
worship of the God of Abraham, the same God worshipped by Moses,
Elijah, and Jesus.

This is a wonderful volume -- for the typical Western reader, if you
were to only read one book on Islam, this would be it!


Another:


Reviewer: Mr. James M. McDowell (Brea, CA USA) - See all my reviews
To cover such a broad sweep for this subject in one volume is asking
too much, but this book does a credible job of doing so. However, I
felt I was missing something because so much critical detail was
missing, such as how was the spread of Islam accomplished (key "wars,"
battles, overall strategy, common set of tactics?), only passing
references to some of the giants of history, Crusades - what six
Crusades-They barely get a mention, etc. I decided that the purpose of
the book was to summarize; and if I want more depth, get it elsewhere.
The one thing which did drive me nuts was both the lack of more maps to
better show places discussed in the text, and the lack of detail on the
maps which were present. Beautiful photographs, but totally inadequate
maps.

Overall, great book to start trying to understand one of the world's
great religions, especially after September 11. It gives the reader
coverage of a broad scope of subjects which require some familiarity to
understand Islam, even those some readers might otherwise skip.
However, if you are really intersted, plan on going on to other
sources.






>
> Infidels itself is a very discriminative word. Yet, you Muslims like to
> shout Discrimination when other people criticize Islam.
>
> In every country in every parts of the World, the troublemakers and
> Killing Thugs are Muslims.
>
> Show me a country around this globe that does not have Islam
> terrorists.
>
> You kill young babies, unharmed women, and innocent citizens in the
> name of your ALLAH.
>
> Without realizing, your ALLAH has become the head of Killers same as
> Hitler, Stalin and Pol Pot.
>
> What can you expect Mohammed himself who is a pedophile and a killer?
>
> If is like believing recently executed Tookie Williams, a founder of
> Crisps gang and a known murderer as a son of God and worshipping a
> killer as Allah.
>
> Only Islam allows their followers to kill in the name of religion.
>
> You announced death sentences to Salmon Rushdie for writing the truth
> about Islam.
> You killed a Van Gough in Holland for revealing the truth of Islam
> abusing women in his documentary.
> And yet you have the balls to mention the word DEMOCRACY.
> (In Turkey, the most moderate Islamic state, a writer was taken to
> court for insulting Islam.)
> You must have heard about Burmese saying: Khway bazut ka Nut sakar
> dhwet.
>
> Btw, when you see Osama in hell, please thank him for showing the true
> face of Islam as Murderers and terrorists.
> Before Osama, Saudi Wahabbies were building Mosques and Islamic schools
> in U.S., Europe and all over the globe. The had built over 1500 mosques
> in U.S. and over 1000 in Europe. No one notice. Now, go to everywhere
> and if you see an Arab looking or South Asian Muslim looking, people
> are careful and aware and checking. You definitely must know the looks
> you guys now receive everywhere.
> Please thank your Osama for that.
>
> So long for now, next time let me tell you how Americans bombs
> ruthlessly in Afgan battles and Tora Bora.
> They will say Democracy like you guys but these Christians fanatics
> will kill the Muslims mercilessly. One American Lt General was talking
> about his god better than your ALLAH openly. Imagine how he would
> treat your Muslim cowards in the battlefield. He ha
>
> Btw, next time if you want to make a point please present some facts.
> It is too easy and sound stupid just to say you are dumb and lowlife
> and so on. Just try to show at least some Muslim have some intelligence
> if you can, ha ha

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