Re: imperialism

On Jun 3, 9:51 am, vello <vellok...@xxxxxx> wrote:
This time google lost my long post - I put it again in brief:

Well, a lot of words were also already said here in SCB
on language subject too, and now we're discussing things
in English 'alien cultural environment'.

It is our free choice not forced on us by anyone.

About economy,
it is legend that RSFR was poor by incomes - Baltics were
at lead but Russia mostly on 4th position (sometimes 5th
after elarus). There was also popular legend about rich
Georgia, but it is not supported by Soviet contemporary
statistics (Statistichesky Ezhegodnik Sovetskogo Soyuza)
- there was some amount of free enterprise in Georgia so
someone was really rich. But medium level was far back
from Baltics, Russia and Belarus.  

The point is not that RSFSR was the poorest among others,
just there was no colonial exploitation in the USSR in the
national sense. However (as Ostap showed) such exploitation
is a significant feature of 'Imperialism' in its traditional
common meaning. You could blame the Soviet Power for
obtrusion Soviet orders and ideology, also it pursued those
social groups who was considered as enemies of the power,
but that was not a superiority of 'Russians' against others,
that was the enforcement of 'international Soviet ideology'.

"Tradition common meaning" is reflecting memories about UK, French,
Spanish activities in Asia/Africa in times almost anyone in Europe
thinks that races are not equal. Almost all empires in Europe have
been "Soviet style" if you accent to lack of direct discrimination:
Austrians got all the same rights as Germans in Third Reich. Despite
there were maybe some prejudices towards slavic people, de jure all
chezhs and croats had the same rights as ethnic germans in Austo-
hungarian Empire.

Austro-Hungarian Empire wasn't a national Empire of Germans ruling non-
Germans but a prenational one under the Hapsburg dynasty. There was
an anti-Habsburg German nationalist movement seeking to unite Austria
with Germany:

The Linz Program of 1882 was a political platform that called for the
complete Germanization of the Austrian state. It was created in
response to the rising social, economic and political position of the
Slavic peoples within the Austria-Hungary Dual Monarchy. The framers
of the program were fearful that the Slavs were overrunning the German
element of the monarchy.

The goal of the framers was to create a German-dominated Austrian
state. They proposed ceding the regions of Galicia, Bukovina and
Dalmatia to Hungary or giving the regions complete autonomy, and they
wanted Austria's ties to Hungary to be only of a personal nature, with
no administrative or legislative consequences. Additionally, German
was to become the official language of Austria, and a proposed Customs
union, which would be added to the monarchy's constitution, would
provide strengthened ties to the German Reich.

Rather than being a bluprint for a political movement, the proposal
was more rhetorical[citation needed]. The emotional inclinations of
the framers are well-represented in the following excerpt from their

"We protest against all attempts to convert Austria into a Slavic
state. We shall continue to agitate for the maintenance of German as
the official language and to oppose the extension of federalism...[W]e
are steadfast supporters of the alliance with Germany and the foreign
policy now being followed by the empire" (Roman, 512).

Ultimately, Adler and the others wanted Austria to exist separate from
the Habsburg Monarchy, which controlled much of central Europe at the
time; instead, they wanted to tie themselves as close as possible to


Interesting arrticle about the leader of Austria's German nationalist

Schönerer developed a political philosophy that featured elements of
violent anti-Semitism, anti-Slavism, anti-Catholicism,
authoritarianism, popular solidarism, nationalism, and Pan-Germanism,
themes which appealed to many lower class Viennese. As such, Schönerer
rapidly became a popular and powerful political figure. In 1879 he
formed the Pan-German Party, which would become a considerable force
in Austrian politics.

During these years, while the Kulturkampf divided Imperial Germany,
Schönerer founded the Away from Rome! (de:Los-von-Rom-Bewegung)
movement, which advocated the conversion of all Roman Catholic German
speakers of Austria to Lutheran Protestantism, or, in some cases, to
the Old Catholic Churches.

In 1888, Schönerer was temporarily imprisoned for ransacking a Jewish-
owned newspaper office and assaulting its employees. This action
increased Schönerer’s popularity and helped members of his party get
elected to the Austrian Parliament. The prison sentence also resulted
in the loss of his status as a noble. Schönerer himself was reelected
to the Reichsrat in 1897, and later that year helped orchestrate the
expulsion of Prime Minister Kasimir Felix Graf Badeni from office.
Badeni had proclaimed that civil servants in Austrian-controlled
Bohemia would have to know the Czech language, an ordinance which
prevented many ethnic German-speakers (the majority of whom could not
speak Czech) in Bohemia from applying for governmental jobs. Schönerer
staged mass protests against the ordinance and disrupted parliamentary
proceedings, actions which eventually caused Emperor Franz Joseph to
dismiss Badeni.

Schönerer became even more powerful in 1901, when 21 members of his
party gained seats in the Parliament. His career crumbled rapidly
thereafter, however, due to his forceful views and personality. His
party suffered as well, and had virtually disintegrated by 1907. But
his views and philosophy would go on to greatly influence Adolf Hitler
and the Nazi Party as a whole.

He spearheaded an anti-Catholic movement under the slogan "away from
Rome" and coined the pseudo-medieval greeting "Hail," or "Heil." His
followers called him "the Leader" (Führer), another term which his
movement most likely introduced into the vocabulary of nationalist


During the war some of the Habsburgs were placed in the Dachau
concentration camps by nationalist German Nazis.



In Yugoslavia, de jure slovenes had the same rights
as serbs (and they were much richer then serbs). In modern Spain,
basques and catalans have all the same rights as castilians-spaniards.
So Russian/Soviet Empire had nothing exclusive, it was basically like
any Empire inside Europe.- Hide quoted text -

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