Re: Australian media speak out for WikiLeaks

On Dec 24, 2:45 am, Ostap Bender <ostap_bender_1...@xxxxxxxxxxx>
wrote:
The Black Monk <ch....@xxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:





On Dec 17, 1:28 pm, vello <vellok...@xxxxxx> wrote:

On Dec 17, 7:39 pm, Dmitry <dmitrijsfedot...@xxxxxxxx> wrote:

I consolidated my
position a bit:
a) If some official gives files to Assange on some idealist motivation
to make World better - it's OK
b) If Assange gets those papers hacking into govt data systems - he's
a crriminal
c) If some official sells files to Assange for money - it's dirty
business, don't know is it also a crime.

All 3 can be considered as theft.  To me, there is a distinction
between public and private property.  Government is not a private
business.

I personally don't like when journalists put their noses through
people's private lives, but do appreciate that they have right to do
it.  Information released by Wikileaks was not private, but public.
And if it was private it shouldn't have been on government's record..

What happened so far.  Endless amount of information has been
released.  Have you read it all?  I didn't.  Who can?  It is more than
full time job to read them all -))  Did this info harm anyone (apart
from some diplomats and politicians became embarrassed that their
actions got published)?  On the other hand, Julian Assange became a
celebrity within very short period of time.  He is on the news
headlines in UK every day now.  We even know that Mr Assange had
champagne and a meal of stew and dumplings to mark the end of his nine-
day incarceration at Wandsworth prison.  As a journalist you would
know that reporting dietary details marks high celebrity statement -))

He gets lots of public sympathy and our media industry is keen to give
him lots of opportunity to communicate with public.  He updates on
what he is doing  -http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1339549/WikiLeaks-boss-Julian...
- there is a video at the bottom of page.

Some people read his documents very carefully for sure people in
secret services. Hardly you would want some Assange put on radio
allies plans month before D-day?

But because it's "public" information by the government rather than
"private" information everyone needs to know, according to Dmitry.

We are not in war for now but some competition between nations is always here.

Wikileaks released information about specific factories that the
government is worried about being a target for terrorists

What exactly is on this list?

http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-503543_162-20024666-503543.html

The document, dubbed the Critical Foreign Dependencies Initiative
according to a report in The Telegraph, lists everything from British
pharmaceutical factories churning out vaccines and insulin, to a
Bauxite mine in the African nation of Guinea.

The State Department reportedly asked American diplomats around the
world in 2008 to file what is essentially an inventory of key sites in
their post countries.

Also among the hundreds of sites listed in the Critical Foreign
Dependencies Initiative are military industrial facilities and the
entry point for a massive trans-Atlantic communications cable in
Britain, key shipping lanes and natural gas facilities pipelines in
the Middle East, and a smallpox vaccine factory in Denmark.

According to the Telegraph's report, the leaked cable went so far as
to list the names and phone numbers of two State Department staff in
charge of coalescing the information for the initiative.

So now terrorists can confirm what the US considers to be "key sites."
Is it good to give that info to them, in your opinion?

Unrelated to this point, is this interesting glimpse into Assange's
thirst for control:

Assange, the founder and figurehead of WikiLeaks, has called on both
President Obama and Clinton to resign following the revelation of the
personal information gathering at the U.N., which he claims both
senior officials approved.


(thus
potentially telling terrorists to either go after other targets
because they aren't on the government's radar,

Are you saying that this list contains ALL facilities that the US
Homeland Security office has on"its radar"? Really? How long is this
list?

Did I use the word ALL?


Are you saying that if a facility is not on this list, then little
attention is given to protect it? If so - i am glad that Wikileaks has
notified us to this. Now we can force the US government to start
defending the facilities that are not on this list.

Nice job making things up and making a point against your own made-up
idea. I guess arguing with yourself is your only way to win an
argument?

or signalling to them
that places they might not have thought about before might be
important and thus a target).

So, which facilities on this list are so esoteric seemingly not
"important" that it would have never occurred to the terrorists to
target them?

I'm not a terrorist, how would I know.

I do know that now, thanks to wikileaks, terrorists have a catalogue
of places that the US considers to be strategically important.


But I appreciate your vigilance, BM. You have even inspired me to an
equally brilliant new idea:

Do you remember the Homeland Security Advisory  color coding system?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Homeland_Security_Advisory_System

Homeland Security Advisory System

In the United States, the Homeland Security Advisory System is a color-
coded terrorism threat advisory scale. The different levels trigger
specific actions by federal agencies and state and local governments,
and they affect the level of security at some airports and other
public facilities. It is often called the "terror alert level" by the
U.S. media.
////////////////////////

The way it works, is that when the US authorities expect a terrorist
attack, the code is red. When the US authorities don't expect a
terrorist attack - the code is green. And the U.S. Attorney General
publicly tells the entire World what the color is.

What we are dealing here is a clear case of the U.S. Attorney General
notifying the terrorists when is the best time to strike USA (when the
code is green and the Americans least expect it) and when to lay low
(when the code is red).

I wonder when the U.S. Attorney General will be finally arrested for
his terrorist activities and hanged in Times Square?

You don't see a difference between warning when a threat is higher,
and providing a list of targets deemed to be of strategic value?

Hardly you would want some Assange put on radio
allies plans month before D-day?
Vello was essentuially correct when he compared Assange'as
actions to that of publishing leaked D-day invasion plans during
World War II

Exactly. What  Assange and the US Attorney General are doing by
revealing these factories and codes, is as bad as telling the Nazis
where and when to kill hundreds of  thousands of defenseless American
soldiers. :-)

Did you see it written that I considered the two situations to be
equal, rather than merely comparable, demogogue?

It is not as bad, but the type of action taken is similar.

BM


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