Re: Lietuva what is it?

On 10 Aug, 19:08, vello <vellok...@xxxxxx> wrote:
On Aug 10, 6:22 pm, Dmitry <dmitrijsfedot...@xxxxxxxx> wrote:



On 9 Aug, 18:49, vello <vellok...@xxxxxx> wrote:

On Aug 8, 11:23 pm, Dmitry <dmitrijsfedot...@xxxxxxxx> wrote:

On 6 Aug, 02:07, EZ <zvi...@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:

On Aug 5, 7:39 pm, Dmitry <dmitrijsfedot...@xxxxxxxx> wrote:

On 5 Aug, 23:13, Diedukas <alkeme...@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:

On Aug 5, 8:14 pm, Jaksa <Ja...@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:

On Thu, 05 Aug 2010 19:56:08 +0200, Diedukas <alkeme...@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
On Aug 3, 2:13 pm, Dmitry <dmitrijsfedot...@xxxxxxxx> wrote:
On 3 Aug, 16:00, "www.cia.gov" <pandoraandypa...@xxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:

Llietuva is a myth.  A creation of WWI.  Large parts of the capital
Wilna is really a Polish town.  And the 1st King was really born in
Belaruss.

Lietuva is the country established many centuried before WWI. The
first king of Belarus is Likashenka.

The first mention of Lietuva is in the Quindlenburg Cronicles (1009).
Their first documented king was Mindaugas crowned July 6, 1253.

Mindaugas from the Ming dynasty.

Is this some kind of bad joke??????

English Lietuva = Lithuania. There was no Belarus at that time....it
was Lithuanian territory (i.e., Grand Duchy of Lithuania (GDL)). By
the 15th Century, GDL was the largest empire in Europe spanning from
the Baltic to the Black seas. Belarus is a 19th century invention.
Vilnius (aka Wilna) was founded in 1323 by Lithuanian Grand Duke
Gediminas and is Lietuva's ancient capital. It was temporarily and
illegally occupied by Polish forces from 1920 to 1939.

Yes, Wilno (Vilnius) was occupied by Poles from circa 1380 to 1945,
when Poles has been mostly expelled from the city.

Sorry, you've got your dates all goofed up....I still stand by my
dates. Read some of the non-Polish history books and you'll see.

Since then Lithuanians are busy demolishing Polish inscripts on
historical buidlings in a vain attempt to lithuanize the city.

I've been to Vilnius 9 times and I never saw any attempt by ANYONE to
demolish any inscriptions in the historical buildings. IMO, Vilnius
old town never looked better: Lots of restoration still going on.
Also, there's a sizeable minority of Poles living in Vilnius:
expulsion of Poles is pure nonsense. Although some left during the
Soviet occupation of Lithuania on their own accord.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ethnic_history_of_the_Vilnius_region
This is to aid "Battle for Vilnius" competition.

Thanks for the link Dmitry

I thought this was quite curious:http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:MWP_Pilsudski_odezwa.JPG

I am not surprised that Lithuanians were not supporting Pilsudski..
Despite his family's Lithuanian (Samogitian) heritage, I do not see a
strong reason for Lithuanians to believe that their culture and
language will be given equal footing as compared to Polish  -
Pilsudski's first language and instincts were Polish despite his
heritage.

Nobility was spread by allegiances all across the spectrum, but I am
pretty sure that allegiance to Polish culture dominated despite the
ethnic origin:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gabriel_Narutowiczhttp://en.wikipedia..or...
...

Although quite a few of them chose the Lithuanian sidehttp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stanis%C5%82aw_Narutowiczhttp://en.wikip...

Some of them chose somewere in betweenhttp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Czeslaw_Milosz

Regarding the tables, it is really hard to compare them since the
areas measured are different. E.g. Vilna governorate in Russian times
was quite a bit bigger than Vilnius district nowadays (and included
parts of Belarus?). One thing is clear - ethnic Lithuanians were a
small minority in Vilnius city, but were not a minority in the
surrounding country-side. As far as I know, that was also the case
with Kaunas before WWI.

I would not be surprised if a similar percentage of Lithuanians would
be found in Riga around 1915.

I don't know the data for 1915, but I think that Lithuanian community
was very small in Riga then. In 1925 Lithuanians were only 1.3% in
Latvia (not all of them resided in Riga). I don't think much could
change within 10 years in this respect.

Things started to change with industrialization of the Lithuanian
cities.

Whatever the claims might be, today Vilnius is the capitol of
Lithuania.  This is the way it worked out and as far as I'm aware
there is no serious movement for making it part of Poland or (God
forbid) Belarus.  Following this route Russia could claim Kiiv and
Germany could claim Kaliningrad....  Generally speaking, I don't favor
"historical rights" to places/territories.  Israel claiming the right
for Jerusalem is a living example of how much devastation such claims
can cause. History plays tricks, but we can't live in the past.

You are someway right - but on other side of the coin, such attitude
will encourage all kind of criminals...

Criminalism is a different issue.  A big chunk of KLA funding came
from drug smuggling profit, but it doesn't mean that Kosovo doesn't
have right for independence.-

I mean nations seeking for territory of his neighbours.

I think grabbing territories isn't profitable anymore. I can't see
how every more or less powerful country will suddenly start widening
their existing territories in nearest future.
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