Re: Georgian Plots?

vello wrote:
On May 9, 5:34 am, Vladimir Makarenko <vmak...@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
vello wrote:
So maybe
such a story make you to raise brows because you are far away and
somehow got complacent with Warren Commission report but the fact is
that its results were rejected by this later investigation which was
based on much more solid evidence base.
I just remember one private ivestigator (sorry, his name is out of
memory for now - Garrison or something?)
Memory tells you right - Jim Garrison, - as result - I will never buy
from you "I don't remember".

In most cases it means I'm somewhat sure but too lazy to check :-)

But he was not a PI but a District Attorney
what granted him access to all the data and authority to dig more.

who makes himself famous/rich

with serving possibilities as real facts. But I'm not too deeply in US
affairs.
It is a wound which is still open, - America is a very special country.

Sure. But I have special memories with two cases - Tutankhamun's curse
and Garrison investigation. I was a young boy planning journalistic
career and surely I was trying to make clear to myself, how GREAT
STORIES are made. I find some analyze of Tutankhamun's curse story
what shows that this is just pure statistics - if you take any human
group in particular age and look at them after x years, some y% from
them is dead - and some z% from that y are dead in somewhat suspicious
circumstances. When I read Garrison, it immediately jumps out of my
memory - there was tens of thousands people in situ in Dallas plus
other thousands having some contacts with Oswald, Ruby etc in yheir
life. So work with death data will give you guys from that large group
who perished in suspicious way, your job will be then describe cases
those poor guys met Oswald or each other - andd compile a story.
(that's very simplified approach here but I'm too lazy to go deeper in
english). I don't know was Garrison acting as cheater to make himself
known or was he just "victim" of Tutankhamun's style thinking method.
Other is maybe more probable - he discovers that some guys met Oswald
and find weird death after that. And being far from probability
studies he thinks he had find something real.


Interesting. I never heard that before - I don't know if this really would hold against stat test but makes sense. Of course we have to check where MTRP was at the moment...After all people don't go to Brazil for beaches but for lack of extradition treaties...


Me personally - I am undecided almost. I have little doubt that Oswald
alone shot JFK, I am very uneasy how all related died afterwards.


I don't talk about CNN Europe - I talk about news created in Northern
Europe - often very critical to GWB adventures.
GWB adventures? He had a company didn't he? Some guys from amber shores
were giving him a hand - didn't they? What the Northern Europe said
about that - Do Not Do That?

There is not too much amber on Scandinavian shores but anyway: no
Nordic country declared himself as enemy of US - we were allies. But
surely some moments in GWB politics were hardly critizised,

You don't say "hardly criticized" - it means exactly opposite to what you intended to say. Cliche is "harshly criticized".

on state
level and surely in all media.


Yeah, so much and so loud that my ears are still bleeding...
Come on - it was the usual Euro way - as long as it is not about killing us we don't care, we can even give a hand.


How those victims are tied with oil? Hardly sunnites, shiias or kurdis
have oil on their flags - such things start to be important after
freedom fight is winned.
You know there is a line in the sand when you have to stop to fight for
some little national interests at expense of other people blood. Iraqis
are people too. "Tied to oil", yeah. And happy getting water for an hour
a day.

I never met a person thinking that interests of his nation are
"little". Do you know a goal for all mankind so important that
disappearing of Russian nation would be justified price for that? Just
don't think other nations, big or small, have different feelings about
their independence or very existence.


No national interests justify vaporizing a country. We just argued if politicians can be really dumb - Iraq is a mega example - if Bush would hire few ex Soviets to manage the affair Saddam would be killed by his own people. Instead Bush burned a whole country to get one bad guy top prove his father what a guy he is.


Well, at about 50 times I made attempts here that there is no "West"
with media controlled from some single command post.
That is a separate topic - maybe we shall take on it in a separate thread.
But listening to Euros or Russians about "the US" sometimes really
pisses me off. Even when you are right, I still feel pissed off because
the US is so young and unexperienced that the rest of the old world is
trying to sell any crap (with a cherry on the top) just to keep what is
gone.

Here you are right, at least for Euros. We live (in this case, they
live :-)) 50 years taking as normal that US boys are ready to die for
their freedom - and yet they find it is normal to tell to US any
moment how they must behave to be a real gentleman.


Just watch how MTRP's trying to piss me off trying to rain on the States - but I stay cool and above. Maybe it's true that Russians are bears - one has to work really hard to wake us up. And hard work is not what one can find on beaches of Rio.

But in such cases
core of the problem is often in the other end. US is child of European
culture,


Hah? America has as many fathers and mothers as nations on the planet: think about blacks, I am sometimes just merely amazed and left mute: from jazz to poetry of rap. Art of Rap singing btw existed in Russia and still exist in villages far far away - called "речитатив".

for centuries admiring everything european.

There is something I never saw anywhere in Europe - openness, curiosity and thirst for knowledge - whatever knowledge - social, scientific, religious whatever. Something of child genius.

So ofter not
important/harmless/worthless remarks from European politics/ media
will be taken too seriously.


It's a teenage pain and anger - when adults criticize teens often freak out. USA in difference with old countries doesn't have history established self reference frame to measure, judge itself. Hence sensitivity to others' opinions. Not many precedents to council to, almost every time is new. Hence some mistakes. Besides of course there are moronic scumbags like Cheney who take advantage when it's possible.
Cheney is a classic Soviet style marinated nomenclatura. "Them" the people, and "Us" the rulers. And Bush - a golden boy. A sucker: "Mommy! I am supposed to read a bible and *** interns, not to deal with 9/11!"

And there is another appearance of the
same thing - will to fight one's own feel of inferiorty with bullying
and declaring "Europe is rotten bull***".


That is a major exagerration. The US has unknown to Europeans lack of self censorship and what Euros ofetn think Americans say. Stupid? Yes - within Euro frame of mentality. But no offense is really intended. Just casual venting of disappointment or suggestion - "fix it".


(Feel of inferiority in
this case is just psychological thing: like feelings of one winemaker
whos grapefield is unhappily on "wrong" side of tiny village road what
marks border of Grand Champagne area on map. You agree, grapes are for
sure the same on both roadsides). It's too complicated topic for my
english, so I finihed it with imaginable case in Estonia: An Estonian
guyis looking for some idea how to do things better. He gets exactly
the same answer from Swiss guy and from Indonesian guy. what he
thinks? a) Well, that Indonesian was fantastic guy, idea is perfect!
b) Dam Swiss guys think if they are richer they are also wiser!

Please be punctual: how their success is tied to Iraq? do they have
agreement with US Army that they can pump oil for free in Iraq? For
very low price? Third time I ask here from you how that war turns into
greenbucks and third time you are not able to give some answer.
Do your homework: read what is "n bid contract", "share for profit" oil
contracts, Iraq's *Law* that all oil contracts are "profit for share",
etc. Today, including contracts for next ten years estimated about ~ 1
trln.
You ARE supposed to explain me this - you have an economic background.
You can easily google all that.

But you are done that anyway. Is US in profit with Iraqui war by you?


The USA is a community of people. Some of this community hit a jackpot with Iraq war - e.g. oil companies. 99% of the members lost,- some money, quite a few their lives.
Judge yourself.
If I were a God of Vengeance - Cheney and Wolfowitz today would share a room in Baghdad, and not in Emerald City but in some Shia slum. THIS would be fun to watch as TV reality show. I would Tivo every episode.
I would especially enjoy them washing their nderwear in 110 heat with dirty water for one hour a day.
I am cruel, I do not deny that.

Basically I see two targets behind that war
a) stupid and criminal one: to do something "real" after 9/11


The awful truth is that they used 9/11 as an EXCUSE. The intention was there but no convenient justification before 9/11.
They used other people blood as an excuse. To spill more blood. Such scumbags. For what, - few bucks and ego.

b) to avoid situation for all mankind, where all important resources
are controlled by govts interested not in trade and cooperation but in
religious/ideological powerplay.


They were not capable of strategic thinking. They were evil morons. Oil is not the answer. Oil is a problem. Obama fortunately has very clever science adviser. And he listens and thinks.
God, isn't America the Chosen One to get the guy exactly when it is needed?



Vladimir, you get your information from sole source - Russian media.
I think your Estonian TV is really damaging.
Do you have anything funnier to say?
I just was a prophet: any single source you bring in this message are
just from that sole truth factory.
Truth hurts. Especially when it is so bold.
Aspirin?
I'm from SU, so i'm quite immune for Truth Factories production :-)
That is true. I sometimes feel very uncomfortable with Americans - like
an adult who knows what low life *** they are sold to children but -
what can I do?

That may be so for sure.


One thing what makes you feel happy here - nothing can make the USAmericans to surrender civil liberties. You should first shoot them. Even the trash of the trash will claim s/his rights for a lawyer, freedom of speech and live free - otherwise shoot s/him first.

VM.

If you spit in catholic faces in Ulster - well you in return will face
the consequences.
When I split in catholic faces in Ulster it means I identify himself
with occupants from UK
They are ...

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