Re: The neverending story: Georgia.

vello wrote:
On May 6, 7:09 am, Vladimir Makarenko <vmak...@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
vello wrote:
On May 5, 9:46 pm, Vladimir Makarenko <vmak...@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
vello wrote:
On May 5, 8:21 pm, Vladimir Makarenko <vmak...@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
Gosh, Saakashvili fights another Russian conspiracy. This time a platoon
commander told him to go f*** himself.
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/30574427/
But Saakashvili is going step by step by the Uncle Joe playbook: first
get hold of security forces, then clean up legislative body, and at last
- purge the army.
But the part that the "mutiny" was to disrupt Nato's exercises is
precious and unique - it is the first mutiny in the history of mankind
undertaken to disrupt exercises.
On the other hand Stalin's accusations were no less ludicrous.
VM.
Vladimir, do you really think FSB is NOT interested in disrupting NATO
exercises?
Do you really think that CIA is not interested in [put here whatever,
try a list of car accidents on Russian-Belorussian border].
With such armored arguments I can prove that Estonia was behind Chernobyl'.
It's not an argument. And not an accusation that FSB was behind of
that thing. Just notice that it is possible. Even in Estonia it is
proved that some political groups get money from "one country abroad"
- so it would be childish to think that Russia is not playing anti-
Shaaka cards if possible.
To what end? As a matter of fact there is nobody today in Georgia to
confidently replace existing bandit regime. It is a dead end situation.

Simple - to what end possible without damaging Russian imago too much.


Forget about image - but rather check Russian press which bleakly observes that maybe Sharikov is the best deal Russia today can get in Georgia. He is at least stupid and totally compromised.
I would probably sounded dissident there.


About dead end - there are no nation in way to dead end. Let them time
to learn.


I speak about right here right now - it is a dead end. At least for those who is out of kindergarten, nation's times can be measured on different scales.


I mean - I understand it hurts to lose but hey - next time pick up a
better clown to place your bets on.
Well bets are on Georgia, on georgian people, not on some individual.
There is some hope that Georgia may turn to democracy - but who sits
in presidentian palace in Tbilisi is quite meaningless.
As long as he plays along with Baltics. Heh.

You are russian living in US - both very big countries with
geopolitical interests. Estonia don't have any interests in georgian
area. There is just some symphaty: we succeed a jump from SU to
civilized world, now a new nation is trying. what's wrong about that?


Hm, how come all the empathy came after Sharikov started to play anti-Russian games?


(Surely you can't start mutiny if there are not some real support for
that in "object" country. Otherwise you end up like 1924 commie
"uprising" in Estonia)
Surely you can start whatever you want in a right country - see a
political musical called "An average history of an average Central
American Country". That is what Georgia is today, even the puppet
master is the same.
Here you are plain wrong. Most Central american countries are not
nations but territories - there is not so much common in culture and
history to tie them as a nation and surely one with big gun and even
bigger wallet may change things there. Not in Georgia with their
thousands of years old culture.
That is usual Eurocentric view - for now using euphemism for real thing.
Just another proof that Eurovision is very "special".
But frankly I discourage to repeat this in the face of people from these
countries and don't get surprised that afterwards they will wonder why
would anybody tolerate a bunch of savages like Balts in their neighborhood.

Speciality of europe is, we still live mostly in original countries
put on map by some greedy colonialist. (And of course it is europe's
quilt that most of the world live in artifical borders. Think Africa,
where nations by size as european countries are divided in two/three/
more parts - and those parts are mixed with parts of other African
nations to create countries what we see on map for now - borders
created by power balance between maior colonial powers times ago.


Paraphrasing the infamous saying you want it "either Euro way or highway". What then can be said about the US or Canada?




Saakashvili already uncovered more "Russian paid" conspiracies than the
male population of Georgia.
Isn't it time for FBI/CIA to learn from Mishka how to work?
You have more close look then me, I just remember few Russian military
men caught pants down few time ago.
You mean grabbing four Russian officers who went to a local restaurant?

It may be this way. Spy cases appear in media with rubberstamped
proofs rarely. But surely there is motivation from Russian side to
know what happens in Georgia. But what would be motivation for Shaaka
to make things with Russia even worse?


Vello, it is 4.5 mln country (of which about 20% are now in Russia) what is there left to learn you cannot learn from talks in local cafe? And remember Russians are holding the top money there.


But here you are close to Albanian
syndrome again - Shaaka is not working "against Russia".
Don't confuse your admiration for a bloody bandit with non-existing
"Albanian syndrome", unless you speak about FBI and its exhaustion with
Albanian mafia.

He is working
"for" Georgia
Oh YEAH! Brought country to national catastrophe working so hard. And of
course let's not forget outstanding economic progress - everything is
stolen, sold and money transferred to reliable accounts in Switzerland.
And of course a fundamental investment - a several hundred million
presidential palace in a 4.5 mln country with African income.

too lazy to look into CIA factbook, but by me Georgia in on level with
other former SU countries in region.


In the region there are only two others - Azerbaijan and Armenia, for years in fight with each other and internal civil often violent fights. But in difference from Georgia with no luxury Black Sea shore. If not for Georgia's politician's hundreds of thousands of Russians today would be spending $$$ there not in Turkey and Bulgaria.


Well they don't have oil/gaz like
Aseris, turkmenis etc - and they had civil war from 1990. No wonder
economy is not blossoming.


The story how they got in such trouble yet waits rational explanation.


- in way how he see the benefits and dangers for Georgia
One guy around here I think his name is "Vello",- if he heard you, he
would object that Hitler also saw benefits and dangers for Germany in
his own way.

Do you say Hitler didn't? But like Putin (and differently from Shaaka)
Hitler looks for those benefits wondering in foreign countries with
gun in hand.


Putin never wondered into any lands with a gun unless to disarm an attacking bandit. Ansip on the other hand working his popularity by igniting ethnic division inside country. Who is Hitler here?


- and in limits of his personal IQ.
You mean of course not his IQ but checking account?

Why you are angry
Me angry? I enjoy the show, as any grown up.

he prefers West
to Russia?
And why not Arctic to Antarctic?
He prefers himself. Whores, his ego, other people money. That's it.
Nothing else. Oh forgot - American whores.

Vladimir, as you say, you are grown up guy. If one sees choice to
change world of Nicaragua, Hamas, Russia to world of Sweden, Austria
and US, what would be motivation NOT to do so? Sole what I see is fear
to be physically annihilated by first mentioned world.


See above - on Sharikov and Hitler best intentions. Also remember that SHarikov's role models ,according to his wife, are Stalin and Beria. The rest follows.
And btw, Russia doesn't and never wanted to become "Sweden, Austria or US". Russia is its own self sufficient universe.


It was also your choice in one point of your past. you sit
down, think - and decided: my future will be not in Russia, Nikaragua
or Hamas controlled territory but US.
Seems you really feel hurt for Saaka failures if you put me, Nicaragua,
US and Hamas in the same row. Just add FSB - and get the full bouquet.
Or maybe complete the row with the Western Europe.
But I gave you a credit of doubt and did exactly that - "sit down, think
and decided" - what if I were from say Ireland? or any other country
of Western Europe and Canada which supply so many immigrants to the US?

In that case you would understand motivation of small nations much
better. Ireland's history is very comparable to histories of nations
unhappily living in russian border.


It is not about past - it is about TODAY'S immigration to the US from Western Europe.



Anyway I really do not advice you to compare Russia with Hamas or
whatever unless you are looking forward to some excursion into my brief
insight of modern apartheid states built on Nazi past.

It was not me who puts Russia into one pot with Hamas and Nicaragua.
It was your hero Putin.


How could I missed such a summit I can't imagine.

I will wait for your "study" - it will be easy
to compile it for you, as "proofs" are freely for use in Russian
media. Just remember, Hamas/Nicaragua/Russia clan do exists,


Hm, that is a new way to prove that something "exist" - by saying "just remember".


good it
or bad.


If such approach works it must be good. Imagine visiting banks and saying "you owe me big money. just remember".


But idea about apartheid and Nazi past of Estonian state is
bull*** and you know it.


Ethnic discrimination and ghettos exist but apartheid not. Puzzling.


So why you judge Shaaka for the
very same decicion?
Are you saying that I am stealing other people money, killing sleeping
civilians and torture prisoners? You'd better clarify this.

Let's stay with some level.
But I repeat I understand Baltic frustration - I remember these
desperate hopes of Landsbergis that if Lukashenko turns on Russia
Baltics should support him. But today nothing is left even of infamous
GUAM. Ukraine spits on its own Sharikov.

I don't read words of Landsbergis but I'm quite sure your citation is
"manipulated".


Hm, ever heard cliche "inconvenient truth"? - When hearing something which doesn't please: a) maybe I never hear this, b) I must misheard c) FSB must have said that.


Most probably there was just f Belarus turns to West,
we must support him".


No, it was what it was - Landsbergis agitation about Lukashenko's argument with Gazprom over gas price a couple of years ago.


Or, what i also met in media, there was idea
that Lukastan is no way less "democratic" then modern Russia, so it
would be unfair to close Luka out of europe when dealing happily with
Putin.


If Europe speaks to Baltistan why not to Belorussia?


You have to understand and accept that the game you tried - failed, now
time to get sober look in face of reality, because reality anyway
already does it. Bandit 90-ties and neocon 2000-ties are over.

Eee... what we tried? What made 90ties bandit ones?


Shootings in the streets on the low level, robberies of the whole countries on the top one.Enough for me to qualify.


For after 9/11
world, US was just not able to realize that it is impossible to fight
terrorists, no matter how strong you are. I'm happy too that this
period is over (for obvious reasons - for small countries, good world
is world where agreements not weapons are first hand arguments).


Maybe you are but it doesn't look like Ansip and Landsbergis and especially Sharikov enjoy the weather.


Anyway Sharikov just surpassed record of speedy confessions of Stalin
times - the commander of "mutineers" already confessed on video. Heh.

It may be. But what would be his motivation to organise cases showing
that his seat is not a strong one? What's your answer?


I think I said it before - Sharikov is playing by Stalin's textbook "How to become a father of Nations": first get a hold a security apparatus. Box checked. Second clean legislative body from opposition. Box checked. Third purge army. Box is being checked. And of course show people that enemy is crouching along every street around every corner.


And please
remember that "he is just stupid" is stupid answer - stupid guys work
with paper hats in McDonalds, not as pressidents.


Wow, here we definitely run into a major disagreement. Maybe I would say instead of "just stupid" that there are more than just many politicians who are "mean, sleazy and stupid, stupid, stupid".
In our particular case - nobody in his right mind doesn't make enemy of the neighbor, who will - earlier or later but - definitely ask the bill to pay.


Last ones may be
good or evil ones, but rarely really stupid.


What you call stupid? What could be more stupid than unleashing an execution attack on Russian military personnel? It is a war crime etc. But in first turn it is the dumbest thing imaginable to do.

VM.
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