Re: Putka and his sock-puppet...

On 10 Oct, 13:18, Pēteris Cedriņš (Peteris Cedrins)
<cedr...@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
On 10 Okt., 11:07, Pçteris Cedriòð (Peteris Cedrins)





<cedr...@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
On 9 Okt., 22:34, Dmitry <dmitrijsfedot...@xxxxxxxx> wrote:

On 9 Oct, 07:24, tadas.bli...@xxxxxxxx wrote:

On Oct 8, 9:24 pm, Dmitry <dmitrijsfedot...@xxxxxxxx> wrote:

On 8 Oct, 18:12, "Henry Alminas" <halmi...@xxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:

... want a "European Security Treaty".

Now ain't that sweet?  This scrap of
paper would of course replace NATO
as well as the never existing Euro
"force-de-frappe".

Just by coincidence this arises just at
the time that NATO decides that they
need contingency plans for the Baltics.
Curious - eh?

So anyway - let us assume that the
western dolts fall for it.  What would
come next?  I will bet you without
the slightest hesitation that the russkies
would then come back and suggest
a regionalization for this creation.
Ya know - Germany would be in charge
of the center, France of the west, England
of naval, etc. and, since the russkies are
in the neighborhood - russkielandia in
charge of the north east.  Logical no?
Of course by then the game would be
over.  Russkies "saving" Baltics - and
quite "legally" too.  Could the Balts
survive another russkie go at them?

Best - - Henry

PS - Sarkozy looks more than just a little
bit mad in the article photo.

In: Euobserver

Sarkozy supports Russian security pact idea
ELITSA VUCHEVA
Today @ 17:52 CET

EUOBSERVER / BRUSSELS    French President Nicolas Sarkozy on Wednesday (8
October)
expressed readiness to discuss Russian plans for a "European Security
Treaty," which would
provide security guarantees for European and Atlantic states as well as a
new framework of rules
to govern relations. .....

Read at:

http://euobserver.com/9/26892

"To back his statement, Mr Medvedev said Russia would withdraw its
"peacekeeping contingent" from security zones around Georgia's
breakaway provinces of South Ossetia and Abkhazia "by midnight
tonight" - ahead of a 10 October deadline stipulated in earlier peace
accords.

The move would "pave the way for the resumption of negotiations on an
ambitious framework agreement, both in terms of the scope and
intensity of cooperation," Mr Sarkozy said, AFP reports, referring to
stalled talks on an EU-Russia partnership pact.

Lithuania has threatened to block the talks unless Russia leaves South
Ossetia and Abkhazia proper as well, the ELTA news agency said, citing
a "senior diplomat."

============

Anyone knows that Russia is not going to leave SO and Abkhazia unless
their governments ask Russians to leave, which is highly unlikely..  So
what is there to be achieved by blocking the talks?

The purpose is to remind the world that Russia is illegally
interfering in Georgia's affairs.

The "world" knows everything it needs to know.  The "world" was
"reminded" about US "interfering", but it doesn't seem to make any
difference.  "Bush" does what he wants and disregards the
international views (and laws).  Should "the world" stop talking to US
too?

As for Georgian imperialism,  I would very much prefer if the
international community took care of the situation at the time of the
collapse of SU, but it didn't and frankly it couldn't.  Whatever I (or
anyone else) prefer the situation today is exactly what it is.  My
question was rather practical: I rephrase it - how would the world
community benefit from blocking talks with Russia?

What hope is their of ever
civilising Russia if no one even dares to lay the true facts on the
table and to hold Russians to civilised standards?

Unfortunatelly, those who are pretending to be a role model have no
"civilised standards" either.  One may extend their hopes to
"civilising" Afghanistan........  It would be less pretentious if
Lithuania has halted relationship with US until they pull out their
military force from the countries they have occupied.

If you advocate pulling out of Abkhasia and S.Ossetia you should
advocate pulling out of Iraq and Afghanistan.  I personally don't
think that addressing one half of the problem and keep silence about
the other fetch much credibility or promotes the way forward.

We've been through this over and over again. The security and
development force in Afghanistan is mandated by the UN Security
Council and includes troops from 37+ countries. Though the invasion of
Iraq was illegal, the occupation is *not* -- Iraq is sovereign and
internationally recognized; democratic, multiparty elections with a
76,4% voter turnout were held in 2005.

Why don't you tell us what the "way forward" is for a change, to your
mind? Abandoning these countries to chaos, sectarian and inter-ethnic
violence, radical Islamists, etc., is a way "forward"? Ya think?

Vysu lobu,
/P

http://lettonica.blogspot.com/

P.S. Dmitry -- here, look how terrible it is --

http://www.nytimes.com/2008/10/10/world/middleeast/10walls.html?hp

I've seen a very similar report from Baghdad by one of our news
channels. Reporter, however, pointed out that this is not necessarily
the same for the rest of the country. If the situation in Iraq is
slowly improving, in Afghanistan it is getting worse: Earlier this
month, the UK's commander in Afghanistan, Brig Mark Carleton-Smith,
told a British newspaper: "We're not going to win this war."
http://news.bbc.co.uk/nol/ukfs_news/hi/newsid_7670000/newsid_7670700/7670750.stm
.

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