Re: In Russia Stalin is #1 name in online vote
- From: vello <vellokala@xxxxxx>
- Date: Thu, 17 Jul 2008 01:13:17 -0700 (PDT)
On Jul 17, 2:57 am, MTRP™ <Mir.Topol...@xxxxxx> wrote:
MTRP™ wrote:This topic is discussed times ago. If Vatican will occupy Monaco, it's
Henry Alminas wrote:P.S. Not only Latvian - there's also Estonian smoking gun (actually a
Well, what can one expect?lol(ing)@coloradski. She would immediately subscribe to "the russkies
They, after all, prance on the graves of so many
they stuffed into countless mass graves. These
graves contain the remains of their own people
though all too many were of Baltic origin
- produced in the attempt to eliminate the
Baltic nations - as nations. Yet the main
architect of these atrocities is voted
"the greatest man" in their history.
My hat goes off for Ms. Stoyarova. She
reconfirms my belief that there are Russians
in addition to the russkies one sees in scb.
one sees in scb" when seeing all that anti-russkie nazi crap one sees
in scb. Anyway it's nonsense to blame Stalin for the Solovki. Cuz "it
was not until the Bolsheviks seized power in 1917 that the Solovetsky
Islands, also known as Solovki, became synonymous with torture and
brutal executions." The same Bolsheviks (and their Latvian rifle-
buddies) who destroyed old Russia and created "the Baltic nations" -
prior to Stalin and Stalin's Gulag.
wartime criminal disloyalty to the matushka, i.e. high treason).
"Folgenschwerer Tipp: Den Hinweis auf Lenin erhielten die Deutschen
von Alexander Kesküla, einem ehemaligen Bolschewiken aus Estland, der
hoffte, die Deutschen würden sich für den Anschluss des russisch
okkupierten Estland an Schweden einsetzen. Am 30. September 1915
übermittelte Kesküla der Berner Gesandtschaft Lenins
"Friedensbedingungen" im Fall eines Sieges der Revolution in seinem
Heimatland. Für seine Hinweise erhielt Kosküla von den Deutschen
insgesamt 250.000 Mark - aber nur ein kleiner Teil davon landete
tatsächlich bei den Bolschewiken."
"The Germans got a hint to Lenin by Alexander Kesküla, a former
Bolshevik from Estonia who hoped that the Germans would plead for
Swedish annexation of Russian occupied Estonia. On 30.09.1915 Kesküla
delivered to the [German] ebmassy in Bern Lenins "peace terms" in the
case of a victory of the revolution in his homeland. For his tips
Kosküla received from the Germans a total of 250,000 Mark - but only a
small part of it really landed with the Bolsheviks."
P.P.S. More on Latvian rifle-buddies.http://news.bbc.co.uk/hi/russian/russia/newsid_7060000/7060125.stm:
"Практически все руководители ЧК имели нерусские фамилии. В 1919 году
55% чекистов составляли латыши. Как писали в своем бюллетене левые
эсеры, из Латвии в ЧК ехали "как в Америку, на разживу"."
(Those who forgot Cyrillic may ask Petya for English translation.)
From: St. Petersburg Times
Sports Event Planned for Gulag Island Slammed
By Galina Stolyarova
A sports contest planned to take place next month near to
where thousands of political prisoners met their deaths
during the Soviet Union has angered human rights
campaigners across the country.
The multi-disciplinary athletics event, to take place in
August on the Solovetsky Islands in the White Sea in
Russia''s Far North, has been organized by the Ministry
of Emergency Situations. The first political prisoners
were sent to the remote islands during the reign of
Ivan the Terrible but it was not until the Bolsheviks
seized power in 1917 that the Solovetsky Islands,
also known as Solovki, became synonymous with
torture and brutal executions.
The sports contest, which will double up as a training
exercise for local rescue staff, has been scheduled to
take place on Sekirnaya Mountain, near to where mass
graves of political prisoners are located.
The international human rights group Memorial has
written an open letter to Emergency Situations Minister
Sergei Shoigu in protest.
""For the entire world, Sekirnaya Mountain is a tragic
symbol of Stalin''s Gulags; this place is inseparably
connected to the memory of the victims of Communist
terror,"" reads the letter. ""The Solovki was home to
the first concentration camp created by the Bolsheviks, and
Sekirnaya Mountain was the most horrifying spot: this is
where isolation cells, ''a prison within a prison,'' were
Arseny Roginsky, chairman of Memorial, branded the
plan as sacrilegious.
""The slopes of Sekirnaya Mountain are covered with
dozens of mass graves,"" Roginsky said. ""Anyone who
has read Alexander Solzhenitsyn''s ''The Gulag
Archipelago'' can never forget the description of devilish
torture techniques used against prisoners here.""
The Ministry of Emergency Situations is adamant that
there is nothing wrong with using the spot
for the planned events.
""Naturally, nobody is going to run across the graves
of the repressed,"" Irina Andrianova, head
of the ministry''s press office, told reporters on Monday.
""Every year, we set up training sessions for our staff in
various parts of Russia to ensure that they can adapt to
and flawlessly perform in a variety of environments and
conditions."" The location was selected out of practicality,
and history was not considered a crucial factor, she
Each year, the islands attract thousands of tourists and
religious pilgrims, and the local branch of the ministry
has to be well trained to come to their rescue if necessary,
she added. The events, if they take place, would coincide
with the traditional memorial days that are held on
the islands each year to commemorate those who
perished in Communist purges. Many human rights
advocates see the officials'' behavior over the conflict
as insensitive, insulting and shortsighted.
Irina Flige, head of the historical branch of Memorial in
St. Petersburg, warned that Russia has yet to come to terms
with its totalitarian past.
""Despite Russia''s bloody history and the Bolshevik legacy,
Russia still has not learned the lesson; too many people
are comfortable turning a blind eye on the darkest parts of
our country''s history,"" she said.
""The ridiculous idea [of holding the Ministry of Emergency
Situations'' events on the Solovki] is revealing indeed. We''ll
never overcome our past if we don''t learn to face it.""
Memorial called for Shoigu to lecture his subordinates about
the ethics of running a sports competition in the proximity of
The Solovki, as the islands are colloquially known, are the
site of the Solovetsky Monastery, one of the country''s holiest
The monastery was founded in the 15th century as a spiritual
retreat on the edge of the world, just 160 kilometers from the
Earlier this summer a group of Orthodox priests asked Prime
Minister Vladimir Putin to end what they regard as the
""commercialization"" of the islands.
As well as becoming a tourist magnet, the beautiful archipelago
also plays host to an annual international yacht competition that
has become hugely popular.- Hide quoted text -
still fault of Pope and not Swiss, despite Pope's army is 100% swiss.
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