Re: "Divided village reflects a deeper divide in Europe"

Pēteris Cedriņš (Peteris Cedrins) wrote:
On 20 Jūn., 00:29, Vladimir Makarenko <vmak...@xxxxxxxxx> wrote

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(1) Drop the "Lithuania screwing village" thing, buddy. I think I
successfully proved that this isn't so,
That is what often happens when you venture in such unchartered
territory marked "I think". Leave thinking to me - stay on the safe side
of the road.

Khe. No, sorry. I live here, I read the Lisbon Treaty,

Did the send to rehab afterwards? I mean a classic Russian novel cautioned readers from reading Soviet newspapers before meal. I can only imagine what health risks maybe associated with the Lisbon opus.

and I still
have my own brain, which functions at least as well as the Lada I sold
for 25 LVL.

Hm, did you first career was in used car dealership?

See my last post, which enthusiastically demonizes you.

Petya, you are such a greenhouse ivy (league?) - you don't know what demonizing mean, wait when I get in the mood.



Scroll up, please. It is not Lithuania that chooses to terrorize the
poor Belarusian villagers. It is Lukashenka who trerrorizes his own
villagers. Watch the movie.

I don't have time for movies in general. Especially for agitprop. Besides I don't need to get educated on what is going on in Belorussia - I know people there. Simple like that - real people.

But returning the favor, watch this - in theaters tomorrow, allegedly a masterpiece. But I am so far skeptical:

http://www.mongolmovie.com/




even if I didn't get your
quasi-sovok brain to adopt any of the rest of my gorgeous ideology.
Your neocon ideology is to play chess with a baseball bat. Which causes
understandable nervousness in some nations.

You can't accuse me of that. I shall repeat for the nth time that I
was strongly opposed to the invasion of Iraq. Since you don't remember
that, Nyutka can vouch for me.

Who said anything about Iraq or armed invasions? You need to sync yourself with XXI cent. - the force of today - defensive and offensive is build not of air/tank/infantry divisions - but of economy/economy/economy or finance/education/healthcare. Commandos - investment banks, the death squads - them again. SS and Gestapo - IMF and World Bank. Gas chambers - shock "therapy". Etc. Military action left as a last resort to deal with stubborn nations like Iran. Do you know that Iran impudently own sands over the US oil?
I think I mentioned that one of most disgusting neocons but also one of the most clever wrote a book about that modus operandi (even though about its evolution rather than today's dominance) - "Dangerous Nation" (Robert Kagan - now top McCain adviser - pushing hard for Iran war).


Now, to take this out of labels like "neocon" -- do I believe that
liberal democracy is a superior system to a jihadi bardak? Yes, I do.
Far superior. Do I regret the demise of Saddam? No, not at all. Etc.,
etc., and on these issues you are welcome to call me a neocon. But I
was always bad with baseball bats.

Petya face reality - life under Saddam was better. And real fun yet to come: country already lost ~20% of population dead and refugees.
How much Baltics lost to Stalin repressions?


I don't know what your ideology is.

Democracy, Petya, democracy, naturally growing without foreign fat smartasses inciting coups and then robbing the country on the Sendero Luminosa to the Unbelievably Bright Future.

> Tell us about it.

Petya, who are "we"? You and your Kremlin handler - sorry don't know his name?
Anyway, as you are well aware we are too busy discussing Belorussians washing hands in urinals and running the woods without iPhones to waste precious time on such ridiculous issues. Wait - maybe one day someone reads Thomas Paine and come up with a post "Rights of Man and all that ***" (copyright of John Stewart).

So far, all I
know is that you love to employ the sort of relativism that leads to
the kind of nihilism most sovoks stew in.

What nihilism Petya? Your plan didn't work and you blame people for that? This is classic Sovietism.



You will make even less sense defending incomprehensible, unread EU
treaties if you can't grok the fact that the EU sets border policy,
not Lithuania.
Or really? When it is about "shkurnyh" interests of Adamkus or
Landsbergis then Lithuanian state gets a shot at EU and Russia. When it
is about some peasants' destroyed "modus vivendi" it is the EU fault.

SO characteristic for Baltics - "we are not responsible for anything, we
are such victims".

Didn't say we're not part of the EU, and as such responsible. In fact,
though, I gave you a link to an open letter on the subject.

But that's not really the subject, because you are avoiding the
subject -- Belarus is isolated because it is a perverse dictatorship.

Belorussia is not isolated in any way, its government is boycotted by Europe, what I do not object. I am not however sure that this is the best way to deal with Lukashenko and his collective farm management.
But you have this little text book like Muslims Koran which tells you exactly what to do every time you run into unfamiliar situation: p.2084, third paragraph from the top:
"If evil dictator Lukashenko happens in awkward urinally unenlightened Belorussia then take the following steps:... "



(2) Just what are you trying to prove with this HIV comment? The rate
here is actually rather stable, and about two-thirds of HIV is among
drug users, most of whom spend time in prison.
That in comparison, Belorussia even under now idiot rule of Lukashenko
is doing just alright despite all your propaganda efforts.
And btw - cell phones do cause brain cancer.

Cool. I hope the brain cancer is nice.

Most people who got it think that a bullet between eyes is much more nicer.

But I also hope you notice that
I hold Latvia to the same standards. I don't remember any propaganda
efforts on my part. My problem with you is as previously described --
you prefer, indeed you insist, upon ignoring basic human rights
issues. Human rights, I say as a good neocon, are universal.

They are universal and they do not lie on the same plane - it is a pyramid, which has a base: right to live and from here up like right to avoid sexual exploitation, to get healthcare, education, etc.

As a matter of fact you cannot call a single country on this planet which one day woke up and found out backyard crowded with "universal human rights". Each country which has more or less decent standard of these "uhr" went through long term evolution. The very notion of what is "universal human rights" is changing with history and country. Or shall we ask the Blacks, Asians and other non whites in America?

The
measure of a free press is really easy, whether Karlamov gets a hardon
reading the eXile or not. Belarus is a dictatorship. Do you agree,
Makarenko? Yes or no?

No. It is not a dictatorship. It's authoritarian regime with mild oppression of organized opposition. No more or less.



And if the next sentence is like your thesis here -- "doing just
alright" -- then *** you. You don't deserve residency in your
country, because you adamantly refuse to realize what freedom is. So
that must make me a neocon? I think that's the massive gulf between
us, you see. Reagan was right -- the USSR was an evil empire. Putin is
wrong -- the collapse of the USSR was wonderful.

Petya, such speech has to be given from *bronevik* in 1917.


That's blood under the bridge now. But for some unfathomable reason,
even ex-Russians like yourself wanna carry the Soviet torch forward,
draping it in threadbare Czarist cloth.

that is already Shyamalan, "The Happening".

That's unacceptable to almost
everyone who ever lived under the Russian/Soviet boot, for obvious
reasons.

How do you know when you never lived under it?


Again and again, you accuse the dwarfs of not being able to get over
their distorted histories. And that is where you miss the boat
entirely! All of us got over it a long time ago. You are still stewing
in Stalinist ***. Dunno why. But look to John, even -- being from a
country that didn't spend 1940-1991 under that boot, he doesn't have
the emotional investment. That's where we'll be very soon, I hope --
in a place where we laugh at you so hard you won't even be able to
breathe. In my experience, you can travel from here to Lviv to Warsaw
to Budapest to Tbilisi and everybody knows what a Russian is. That
must be painful for you. See a shrink, dude. The only E Eur Russophile
here is Andrius. That should tell you something, no?

Petya, I am not sure about shrinks but you definitely need temazepam.

As to Riga - Lviv etc. journey - have you every tried a route Mexico - El Salvador - Nikaragua - Guatemala - and then S America?
Or Indochina. Or Africa or Tehran - Baghdad?.

Fatcs Petya are very stubborn - check the Pew polls.

As to laughing hard (who is "we"?) - generally it is not bad at all, however when it caused by inhaling some controlled substances than it is not me - it will be an ambulance crew who will hold its breath.




My comment about the girls was in no way making fun of the girls -- it
was just very sad to see lovely people act like bewildered savages.
That's not what they deserve. If you think Lukashenka protects them
from HIV and a knowledge of modern urinals -- please, explain. Or are
you gonna take the Ahmedinejad line -- there are no homos in Belarus?
You see Petya in your book savagery if somebody runs into unfamiliar
hygiene facility. In my book it is a society in which underage girls
instead of school are walking sidewalks. Now compare Baltics with
Belorussia.

Gladly. Come on over and make the comparison.

I just did. AIDS rates including. Your educational and science institutions are cannibalized, industry shut down, etc. And people are leaving country. Don't they?


But my guess you don't like such approach very much because it will hurt
like hell.

That's silly. I pride myself upon not shying away from Baltic
problems. Never have, never will.

Well, that's true.


On the other hand, the idea that backward tyrannies protect people
from AIDS or evroremonti is obviously absurd. Never have, never will.

As a matter of fact Lukashenko regime did and does exactly that. This is the only reason it is "tolerated" despite the fact it's expired already four or five years ago.

That Luddite approach is absolutely suicidal. Always has been.

Lukashenko came to power fighting the Luddites. This is how Belorussia avoided the genocide which unfolded in ex USSR.
Now his competence and usefulness hit the ceiling and he has to go. He will, but without West imposed monkey revolutions. Enough is the baboon in Georgia.


Belarus is actually Hui's ideal -- everything he says about his dream
Latvia, his hatred of the EU, and even his antipathy to Russia would
work along those lines, were it Baltic and not Slavic.
I think it hasn't a prayer, and its people are unutterably unprepared
for the real world, which will invade sooner rather than later and
probably from the east rather than the west.
Where did you get the idea of unpreparedness? You are not seriously
believe that Belorussians are isolated in any way? Or that they run the
Soviet economic system? Theirs today may be in need of a major upgrade
but it past Soviet long time ago.

No rocket science needed to see how it is happening: the economic
pressure is building up and the regime either has to retreat step by
step or run out of money and people.

But the West bitterness at inability to screw up the country and turn it
into anti-Russian stooge while robbing its every corner is noticed.

This is boring, Volodya. For every anti-Russian stooge you can find,
I'll show you a Russian stooge. Or is that a pro-Russian stooge?

You report you decide. Be Fox.


The trouble is that the Western stooges have, you know, nice
countries. You live in one, don't you? So, the economic pressure is
building up! Hard times ahead for everybody. Bad times ahead for
Latvia, probably (less so for Estonia and Lithuania). But you keep
missing the point, my friend -- Russia is an anti-democratic, yucky
empire... just plain yucky. It slaughters its own citizens even as we
speak. That's what it's about, and that's what it's always been about.
Being an optimist, I disagree with some here and hope it changes.

The ephemeral riches of natural resources distributed in the age-old
system of yuckiness -- well, it's just not attractive, sorry. We may
as well worship the House of Saud, then. Same thing, in essence.

Now you are trying to be funny? As a matter of fact you do worship the House of Saud. So much that Great (isn't it funny - "great"?) Britain doesn't dare to persecute crimes which profited the House. The US president is flying in to beg for little increase in oil production.
Now should we flush down the toilet all you wrote before that?

That's Petya why Russians do not trust the West. You are phonies. 100% 100 years warranty Phonies. Money return guarantee no question asked to those who will find that the Phonies are not Real.


It's like the Carnation Girl said: Stalin made Russia great and
everybody respected it. The instantaneous answer from everybody in the
room was -- feared, sometimes, yes. Respected -- never!

Respect comes from peers, Petya.

But the
trouble with Russians is that you so confuse those concepts.

Vsego khoroshego,
/Pet'ka

As I said you stuck in the past and the concepts of the past. Update yourself. One thing you has to be afraid today is not Russia with its *real* natural richies but but your mortgage bank and APR of your credit cards. What is "Carnation girl" says is not even interesting except for Baltics - check popularity of nazballs in Russia - much ado about nothing - so give her ten years she'll probably become a soccer mom.

VM.
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