Re: Anyone volunteering for a russkie.....

On Nov 19, 1:28 pm, Vladimir Makarenko <nos...@xxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
EZ wrote:
On Nov 19, 8:49 am, "Pçteris Cedriòð (Peteris Cedrins)"
<cedr...@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:

On 18 Nov., 23:07, Eugene Holman <hol...@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:

In article <stOdnaVPfYuVhaLanZ2dnUVZ_vOln...@xxxxxxxxxxx>,
"Henry Alminas" <halmi...@xxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:

... "picnic"?

Holman?

I've never denied tat the deportations were a horrible crime.

What I have said, and which caused you to spew so much venom, is that
for certain select groups, deportation might have been the lesser of two
evils. These include a) Jews, and b) men and boys of or close to
draftable age.

Most of the people in these two groups died as a consequence of the
deportations. Had they not been deported, virtually all of them would
have died.

Best,
Eugene Holman

Unless you have other information or the death rate from Estonia or
Lithuania was a lot higher than Latvia's, most of the deportees did
not die -- the death rate for those deported from Latvia in 1941 was
34%, in 1949 12%.

Structural analysis of the deportations (in Latvian) --http://vip.latnet..lv/lpra/strukturanalize.html

For a Jew in 1941, getting deported was probably a lot better than
being left in Latvia, at least as far as dying went.

Of men of draftable age and boys -- this would doubtless be a lot
harder to calculate with any sense at all. Young men were conscripted
by both régimes. Many who were conscripted lived, though.

There were, of course, other, long-term consequences -- the 1949
deportations fell heavily upon women aged 20-60, for instance. The
Latvian birthrate fell drastically as a consequence of this and other
demographic changes, and didn't begin to recover until recently.

Regards,
/P

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I found several links re. deportations and related stuff onwww.lituanus.org

Search "deportations"

Who was to be deported ("saved"?):
http://www.lituanus.org/1988/88_4_05.htm

More articles
http://www.lituanus.org/1985/85_3_02.htm
http://www.lituanus.org/1986/86_4_04.htm
http://www.lituanus.org/1990_2/90_2_06.htm

Search "Lithuanian SS"

Nazi attempts
http://www.lituanus.org/1986/86_4_02.htm

Misc
http://www.lituanus.org/2005/05_1_08.htm

Best regards,
EZ

Not sure about deportations, but as to SS - maybe a couple years ago
Henry provided exhausting references to reading how Lithuanians refused
"to go" in SS. Which for me was a news because what I've read in Western
"classic" interpretation is that Lithuanians didn't "fit" racially to SS
standards. Probably this was "afterlife" Nazi excuse.

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So much the better - I do not care what nazis thought of Lithuanians.
I personally do not have a high opinion of them in any case.

Nevertheless it is rather bizarre to have the following quote in this
context:

"The French, Danes, Norwegians, Spaniards, Horvatians, Albanians,
Slovaks, Romanians, Hungarians, Russians, Uk-ranians, Byelorussians,
Estonians, Latvians, and others had formed such units. The Lithuanians
and the Poles were the only East Europeans who did not provide the
Germans with an SS unit."9
(from http://www.lituanus.org/1986/86_4_02.htm)

Could you back up your 'classic' interpretation with some reference?

Thanks,
EZ
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