Re: some eurovison stuff

On 16 May, 07:43, hol...@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx (Eugene Holman) wrote:
In article <1179267443.339902.204...@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>, Dmitry





<dmitrijsfedot...@xxxxxxxx> wrote:
On 15 May, 15:01, hol...@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx (Eugene Holman) wrote:
In article <1179234468.335869.47...@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>, vello

<vellok...@xxxxxx> wrote:
I'm really happy about Serbian win. Welcome back, lost son of
Europe :-)!

Serbian (srpski), with words like prst 'finger' and vlk 'wolf', suffers
from a severe lack of vowels. Estonian, with words like j=E4=E4=E4=E4rne =
'on the
edge of the ice' and kuuuurija 'moon researcher', arguably has a
surplus...

There is an entrepreneurial opportunity waiting out there.

Regards,
Eugene Holman

What's Finnish for j=E4=E4=E4=E4rne, is it twice as long?

No, just a few more letters, but written as two words: *jään ääreinen*,
more commonly *jään viereinen*.

An important difference between Estonian and Finnish is that Estonian has
lost most word-final n's, while Finnish retains them:

Estonian Finnish
punanen punainen 'red'
töötu työtön 'unemployed'
naine nainen 'woman'
naise naisen 'woman GenSg'
maa maa 'country, land'
maa maan 'country GenSg'
maantee maantie 'highway, lit. landway'
but
olen olen 'I am'
loen luen 'I read'
usun uskon 'I believe'

I wonder whether Latvians added "i" and "s" or Serbians got rid of
them?

Serbian, like many modern Indo-European languages, has lost them, cf.
Latvian vilks, Lithuanian vilkas; Old Church Slavonic volk@; Gothic wulfs;
Icelandic: úlfur (Old Icelandic ulfr, the Modern Icelandic -u- in the
ending is a secondary development), Latin lupus; Greek lykos; Sanskrit
vrkah 'wolf'; but Serbian vlk, Russian volk, English wolf, Swedish ulv,
French loup, etc.

Most Indo-European nouns are assumed to have had a tripartite sructure:
root + thematic vowel (TV) + grammatical ending (GE). Lithuanian, Latin,
Greek, and Saskrit have preserved this structure:

Root TV GE
vilk a s
lup u s
lyk o s
vrk a h

Latvian and Gothic preserve the root and ending:

vilk s
wulf s

Old Church Slavonic preserves the root and a reduced form of the thematic vowel:

volk @

From a historical perspective, Serbian, like English, has reduced the
nominative singular form of the word to the bare root:

vlk
wolf

Regards,
Eugene Holman- Hide quoted text -

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Thank you.

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