Re: Kristallnacht in Tallinn...

On Apr 27, 4:29 am, hol...@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx (Eugene Holman) wrote:
In article <1177670763.511156.76...@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>,

vkarla...@xxxxxxxxx wrote:
On Apr 26, 5:08=C2=A0pm, martin <marti...@xxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
Evidently Russian speaking youths are running amok in the streets of
Tallinn smashing windows and looting stores. Here is the latest:http://ww=
w=2Eeux.tv/article.aspx?articleId=3D7202

That's not the true picture.

According to the Estonian and Finnish press the disorder was limited to an
area in the vicinity of the statue.

In any case, I hear that the Estonian
authorites have already demolished the Anti-Nazi statue and there has
already been one casualty, as the Estonian stormtrooper police has
murdered one demonstrator, a gentleman with a Ukrainian name of Oleg
Dimitriy, and injured 50 more demostrators.

Once again, I have only press reports to go by, but you seem to have
incorrect information.

1. The authorities have *moved*, not demolished, the statue.


They have moved it? To where exactly? Please give me the address, as
my firends plan to visit it next week and lay flowers to the memory of
the victims.


There has
never been talk of demolishing the statue, the idea is to move it to a
less conspicuous and more appropriate place.

2. The demonstrator who died was stabbed by another demonstrator while
they were fighting. He subsequently died in a local hospital.


Well, I wrote it when the RenTV didn't know the details. Indeed, the
man was not killed by the police. But he was not a demostrator either.
He was one of the looters, who used the commotions on the square to
loot shops on side streets, using the absence of policemen, who were
all at the square fighting against the demonstrators.


According to
the speech recently given by the Estonian president
(http://www.epl.ee/?uudised=383715), among the injured police officers was
a policewoman who suffered a bone fracture when trying to prevent a
demonstrator from robbing a kiosk.

Stay tuned for more news
of the murders of demonstrators by the Estonian authorities.

The situation seems to have calmed down. There is, however, a long weekend
coming up.



Truly a Kristallnacht in Tallinn... The original Kristallnacht was
ordered by the German authorities. The new Kristallnacht was ordered
by the German authorities. The Nazis are back.

Nonsense. Unlike the Soviets, who destroyed monuments to Estonians killed
in the war of independence, the Estonian authorities decided to move the
Bronze Soldier to a more appropriate location. As even Zhirinovsky has
stated, the Estonians have the right to manage these things in their own
country as they please, and even Russia has been thinking critically about
the location of some of its monuments. There is no reason to see the
events in Tallinn for anything more than they are: a somewhat awkwardly
implemented attempt by the government to move a monument that signifies
very different things to different people to a less prominent place. Edgar
Savisaar, the mayor of Tallinn, is on record as having complained that the
government took this step without informing him, leaving him to cope with
the aftermath of its *fait accompli*.

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Official Estonia has acknowledged the fact that some Estonians were
involved in Nazi atrocities. Russia has not been as forthcoming about the
atrocities committed by Soviet officials on Estonian territory between
1944 and 1991.

Seehttp://www.historycommission.ee/temp/pdf/conclusions_en.pdf,
particularly the part starting on page 12:

<quote>
CRIMINAL EVENTS

The Commission believes that the following events which took place
during the period of the German occupation are at least prima facie
evidence that genocide, crimes against humanity, and war crimes were
committed by, or with the active assistance of, Estonians on or outside
Estonian territory.
<quote>

The list includes and gives details about:
1. Estonia ond the Holocaust
1.1. The killing of Estonian Jews
1.2. The killing of foreign Jews on the territory of Estonia
1.2. The participation of Estonian military units and police battalions in
towns and transit camps outside Estonia, etc.

2. The killing of Roma in Estonia

3. The killing of at least a further 7,000 people, including approximately
6,000 ethnioc Estonians

4. The killing of Soviet prisoners of war

5. The imposition of forced and slave labor

The final words of the document are worth bearing in mind:

"The Commission believes being a victim does not preclude acts of
perpetration. A people which respects the rule of law should recognize
crimes when they have been committed, and condemn them and those who
committed them.

It is unjust that an entire nation should be criminalized because of the
actions of some of its citizens; but it is equally unjust that its
criminals should be able to shelter behind a cloak of victimhood."


I basically agree with you, as always.

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