Re: US Senators Call For G-7 not G-8


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It depends strongly what G8 we have in mind. If democracy is they key
US hardly will manage to keep their seat against Swiss, Iceland or
Luxembourg. If G8 must be 8 more influential nations, there must be
China instead of Russia.


The USA - spots and all - can present quite a few successfull
democratisation endeavors to uphold their democratic credentials:
post-war Germany & Japan, post-communist Eastern Europe etc. While
Luxemburg keeps it's wealth and democracy just for itself.

And you actually think that the United States achieved all that by
themselves?

Interesting.

Dr. Barry Worthington

You know some country that did more ? I am all ears/eyes .

In the case of Germany, Britain and France did as much.

Dream on, UK and France were the receivers of the Marshall plan aid,
just as W.Germany was.

As for Japan,
Britain and the Commonwealth (despite important military contributions
to Japan's defeat) were frozen out of the postwar occupation by
America.
thereby they can't calim credit for Japan's democratising, right ?

They can claim the credit for helping to destry the military regime
(and the initial work in the development of the atomic bomb) - a
prerequisite for democratisation.

Presumably, you concede my point about Germany.


The USA spent about 1,400 mln$ on Marshall plan aid for W.Germany,
about 3,300 mln$ for UK , about 2,300 mln$ for France. Whatever the UK
& France did for the W.Germany - the US were paying the bills.



As far as the dissolution of the Soviet empire is concerned, I think
that Kohl and Gorbachev made the running in that. America was nowhere.
As I recall, it was among the last to recognise the Baltic States.

And as I recall US never recognised the soviet ocupation of the Baltic
states in the first place ( neither did the UK, but it caved in to the
russians f.e. on the issue of Lithuanian gold reserves).

That is disengenuous. The American administration did practically
nothing to assist in the subversion of Central and Eastern Europe. It
did nothing about the movement to German re-unification. The events of
1991 took them by surprise. They dithered like a rabbit caught in car
headlights. They held back recognition of the Baltic States until
almost the last minute.


Not in the least. The events of 1991 took almost everyone by surprise
and are 15 years old now. Since then the USA proved to be by far the
most supportive and reliable ally the Baltic states have.

L.

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