Re: Cel? uz Daugavpils sirdi
- From: "Dmitry" <dmitrijsfedotovs@xxxxxxxx>
- Date: 4 Jan 2006 15:12:54 -0800
Peteris Cedrin? (Peteris Cedrins) wrote:
> Dmitry wrote:
>
> > Peteris Cedrin? (Peteris Cedrins) wrote:
> > > "The Sorbonne of Latgola" is the key to the tone, no? (I laughed hard!)
> >
> > I laughed before I sent it too, but certainly not as loud as you, my
> > vocal chords are not as advanced.
> >
>
> Well, it _is_ down the road from the Latgalian Switzerland...
>
> > > I don't really have a comment -- except that this confirms what I said
> > > a while ago: that Russians and russified Latgalians, but not
> > > Latgalians, tend to try to oppose Latgalians to Latvians.
> >
> > What about Juris Cibuls?
>
> I did say "tend"...but I don't know enough about Cibuls' views to
> evaluate his politics.
These are mainly about preserving Latgalian identity focusing on
language status, which I have found much more inspiring than Olga's
"dedication" to the cause.
> I am not talking about there not being a
> Latgalian identity -- it's a question of how that identity is defined.
> Cibe, a Russian colonist, is claiming that Latgalian is not a dialect
> but a language
Why would she claim this? Is it common in Latgola? What moves a
Russian colonist to support Latgalian "language claim"?
>(and her explanation of why she disagrees with linguists
> on that point contains not a single ounce of substance!) and that a
> Latgalian should not become a Latvian (which she describes as
> "assimilation")
:-))) What's wrong with assimilation?
> -- on the other hand, she claims that the Russian
> language in no way divides people in Daugavpils. That strikes me as
> skewed.
I just thought how difficult it could for you. What do you think is
the proportion of Daugavpils' population who speaks more than very
basic Latvian?
>
> > > "Latvietim ir
> > > jâbût latvietim, bet latgalim jâbût latgalim." "Tajâ visâ ir kaut
> > > kas no slâvu tautâm." And doubtless with the Great Russian language
> > > as the unifying factor!
> >
> > Economy should be the unifying factor. At present Latgale is one of
> > the poorest, if not the poorest, places in EU.
>
> Language has an effect on the economy, too
May be, but very little.
> -- as does that "something"
> from the Slavs. When Tolaram Fibers bit the dust, some workers marched
> around in Riga bearing red banners with slogans written in Russian,
> apparently oblivious to the absurdity of their demands in both form and
> content.
In this case it looks like the economy had an effect on red banners.
>
> See, for instance, Gundega Rep?e's review of her tour this last
> summer: "Nezinu, ko doma valsts valodas komisijas, inspektori, valodas
> iedzivinataji, bet Latgales mazajos miestos un pat uz Daugavpils
> ?osejas - kemigas lielummanijas uzstutetos krodzinos latviski
> neparunasi. Ne tikai neparunasi - tevi nesapratis."
Strange that it took her by surprise. However, I'm sure she can speak
and understand Russian well. It must be much more difficult for you.
>
> Tourists and investments don't just arrive from abroad -- the center of
> the nation is Riga, and attempts to oppose Riga (even to the point of
> the absurd -- like trying to make friends with Riga-hating Lembergs to
> get a fish cannery, though I haven't seen the sea around here) are
> doomed.
-)))))
>
> A while back a video intended to attract investment to Latvia made no
> mention of Daugavpils -- as it is, much of Latvia wishes it _could_
> ignore this part of the country.
I don't think this is very much to do with language. Probably more to
do with proportion of Riga's population and consequently businesses
and business opportunities.
>
> Three days ago ITAR-TASS fumed:
>
> "The Latvian State Language Center has made a decision to make
> Russian-speaking students take a language examination to check if they
> know Latvian. The decision was prompted by language tests conducted at
> a transport college in Latgale in the southeast of Latvia predominantly
> populated by ethnic Russians. The checks showed that the education at
> the college was conducted in Russian because of poor knowledge of the
> Latvian language."
>
> So where exactly will the great, unifying Russian tongue take them once
> they graduate?
Ireland???
> That college trains railway workers for the most part --
> the railway has lived in its own, Russian-speaking cocoon, but it won't
> be that way forever.
>
> Similar in every sphere -- how could one possibly expect to make a
> career without fluent Latvian? Even if one is a committed Dvisnkian,
> one still has to deal with the rest of the country -- and the rest of
> the country speaks less and less Russian and is less and less tolerant
> of monolingual throwbacks. Ziegler might not care if his employees know
> Latvian or not -- but his employees might one day find that they're
> condemned to working for low wages in a ghetto. As some of the Latvian
> managers pointed out in the study of language in the workplace -- lack
> of Latvian skills is not just a matter of the practical qualification
> but reflects on the applicant's character.
This is evident in job search sections in newspapers (in cyrilic -:))
that knowledge of Latvian is one of the most important points.
>
> Vysu lobu,
> /P
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