Re: Russia's pipeline to Empire
- From: "the captain" <domination@xxxxxxxxxxxx>
- Date: Mon, 19 Dec 2005 12:42:48 GMT
"Eugene Holman" <holman@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote in message
> In article <Yhmpf.29177$h86.28588@edtnps89>, "the captain"
> <domination@xxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
>> <santaka13@xxxxxxxxx> wrote in message
>> such venom!
>> i've already said in the past that i think russia should apologize for
>> baltic occupation.
> Why should Russia apologize for the Baltic occupation? The Soviet Union,
> not Russia, occupied the Baltic countries. Although Russia is the primary
> successor state to the Soviet Union, it, too was occupied by the Soviet
> Union, more than a few of the top officials of which were Balts.
firstly, because it was russia at the head of the soviet union. the soviet
union began in russia and all of the soviet union's power was seated in
secondly, because apologies are easy to give and would go a great way in
repairing the damaged relations with the baltics.
> Russia has acknowledged, with its regrets, that that Soviet Union signed
> the Molotov-Ribbentrop Pact, and it has acknowledged that one consequence
> of this was the illegal occupation and annexation of the Baltic countries
> by the Soviet Union. If Russia should apologize for the Soviet occupation
> of the Baltics, perhaps the Balts should apologize to the Russians for the
> crucial role in establishing and administering the Soviet police state
> played by Baltic nationals such as the Latvian Rifles, Arvid Pelshe, Vaino
> Väljas, and Boris Pugo.
>> this will seem quite shocking to you but there are people
>> out there who like both russia and the baltic countries.
> Yes, and there are people like me who realize that it is better for all
> parties concerned to focus on a future with normal relations than it is to
> dwell constantly on past injustices. The Baltic countries were criminally
> occupied and colonized by the Soviet Union. However, these four and a half
> decades were not as bad as foreign occupation and colonialization usually
> are, as any Australian aborigine, American Indian, Congolese, Indonesian,
> Korean, or Pole who lived under Nazi occupation can tell you. In 1991 the
> Baltic countries were able to regain their independence and rapidly
> consolidate functioning democratic and relatively prosperous states. Of
> all of the countries to have emerged from the fornmer Soviet Union, they
> have been the most successful. Part of this success must be attributed to
> the education and skills that their populations acquired during the Soviet
> occupation, since most of their leaders in politics, culture, and business
> as well as virtually all of their citizens over the age of thirty have
> Soviet educations.
> Former Estonian president Lennart Meri, whose family was among the tens of
> thousands of Estonians who were deported by the Soviets to Siberia, is on
> record as having said that he bears no hate for the Russians, because they
> taught his family how to survive in those horrible conditions. Like most
> people of his generation, he is able to distinguish between Russians and
> Soviets, as well as between Russia and the Soviet Union, which criminally
> seized power in, occupied, and ruled Russia as well as many other
> Eugene Holman
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