Re: One more outfit that needs to be gone!

In article <1133228518.671740.267090@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>,
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<cedrins@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:

> Well, Genrikai, I can put it very simply for you, if you really want to
> hear from me -- Holman, in this case, is full of ***. If he merely
> said that "Russia needs to be engaged," that would be one thing. His
> belief that a bunch of girls or boys who agree to act like women and
> men means that "eople" have a right to be "herd in international
> organizations" is just plain wrong, and the Freudian typos of the great
> linguist are telling. The law is what matters, and the rule of law, and
> all of what he suggests about Russia having to go through Zhirinovsky
> and how we should encourage it, or however Dr. Spock put it, is
> dastardly.

Dastardly is a rather strong word. Preventing a Zhirinovsky from arising
or appealing to his constituency is more anti-democratic than allowing him
his say and, we hope, eventually seeing him collapse on his own
impossibilities and internal contradictions. The same principle in a
different context has recently deprived all but the most dunderheaded of
the influence of discredited revisionist historian David Irving, now
trying to salvage what he can of his foul agenda by having himself
crucified and becoming a martyr.

Learning to run presupposes learning to crawl, walk, and a few bruises
from falls. Democracy has to be learned, and ready-made solutions cannot
be imposed from the outside save for exceptional cases, such as total
defeat, forced de-whatever-existed-before-ization, and foreign occupation.

> Latvia, at least, _does_ encourage democrats in Russia --
> there have even been agreements between parties for mutual support.
> What that means, in reality, is that some Latvian liberals supported
> Yabloko. Unfortunately, there is no democracy in Russia, and Yabloko
> isn't even in parliament -- the "clown" Zhirinovsky is, and so is
> Rogozin, and the latter supports subversion in Latvia.

Zhirinovsky and Rogozin obviously have a message that appeals to more
Russians than Yabloko's does. As it is, their message is concretely
represented in the Duma, and, particularly Zhirinovsky, makes a fool of
himself once a week trumpeting it. Eventually, we hope, people will
decided that his message is ever so much crap and drop him.

> Holman fucks
> even Russian liberalism with his crap, constantly, and few politically
> halfway decent Russians I have met would tolerate him. People who used
> to respect Holman, like the leftist we love to call the Subcommandante
> [sic] in the "infested forum," lost all respect for him when he started
> defending genocide in Chechnya (I await more insipid claptrap about how
> he does not).

I don't defend genocide anywhere, Peteri. My take on Chechnya is that it
is not merely an innocent indpendence struggle, and that both the
international oil business and jihadists are deeply involved. There is no
comparing the situation in Chechnya now with the situation that obtained
in the Baltics in, say, late 1990. The Chechens had every chance to obtain
at least a Tatarstan-like autonomy during the 1990s, but they blew it,
partially due to extreme international interest in gaining control over
their strategic territory.

> He still seems to be a good linguist and has interesting
> things to say now and then, and his masks make him look civilized --
> but these poses of his are as hideous as can be, and everybody here
> knows that.

Geez. If everyone here always had the same opinion about everything this
would be quite a dull forum.

Summa summarum. The OSCE has done good work and should certainly not,
dspite Henry's nihilism, be disbanded. The road to democracy in Russia or
any other country is neither straight nor direct. Twenty some years down
the line, I sincerely hope, many Russians will be ashamed that so many of
people once voted for Zhirinovsky, but proud that he and his ilk were
eventually ousted for being the clowns that they are. Parallels in the
evolution of USA democracy include Huey Long and David Duke in Louisiana
and Lester 'pick-ax handle' Maddox in Georgia.

Regards,
Eugene Holman
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