Re: The Baltics *Have* Emulated the UK


Eugene Holman wrote:
> In article <1124301847.247806.317280@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>,
> darsiaubas@xxxxxxxxxxx wrote:
>
> > Eugene Holman wrote:
> >
> > > The Brazilian murdered =AD that is the correct word =AD by the London pol=
> > ice
> > > as a consequence of botched racial profiling, paranoia, and pressure to
> > > produce a concrete culprit.
> > >
> >
> > I think you identify perfectly some of the failures/pressures put upon
> > the London police. Public and political pressure to apprehend is huge.
> >
> > Murder, no. It wasnt murder. There was no intent there.
>
> Murder is interpreted in different ways in different jurisdictions. The
> Brazilian Jean Charles de Menezes was murdered ­ not killed, but murdered
> ­ because of pressure on the British police to liquidate an obviously
> foreign-looking individual before he could do his dirty deed. In this
> sense there was clear intent, even if only generic.
>
> Regards,
> Eugene Holman


Eugene,

If they indended to murder him, generic or otherwise, they wouldnt have
waited til he boarded a public transit train. Intent, in any
jurisdiction, is associated with premeditation. Its based on ones
entering a situation with the decision to kill already made. I dont see
it here at all.

The only jurisdiction that matters here is the UK.

What happened in London was, as you put it well, "a consequence of
botched racial profiling, paranoia, and pressure to produce a concrete
culprit". Shooting a suspected culprit under those circumstances doesnt
add up to murder. Excessive use of force ? Failure to follow procedure
? Insufficient training ? Those make sense. Murder doesnt.

These types of tragedies happen. Incidents of police using deadly force
on someone suspected of being armed - but werent - do occur. When youre
presented with a high stress incident where to use or not use deadly
force and making that decision in a fraction of a second is the reality
of the moment - horrible things happen sometimes. I'm not excusing what
happened. I wasnt there. But to call those London police officers
murderers is wrong.

Vidas

.

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