Re: HotGhettoMess .com Website Says Bill Cosby Is Right-On

On Sat, 30 Jul 2005 21:21:30 -0400, Voice Of Reason <> wrote:

>On Fri, 29 Jul 2005 05:49:28 -0700, Von Bailey
><ovbailey@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
>
>>On Thu, 28 Jul 2005 22:40:02 -0400, Voice Of Reason <> wrote:
>>
>>>On Thu, 28 Jul 2005 06:23:20 -0700, Von Bailey
>>><ovbailey@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
>>>
>>>>On Wed, 27 Jul 2005 23:28:07 -0400, Voice Of Reason <> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>><Voice Of Reason> wrote in message
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>news:9cnjc11vifelkq11hj25tl1ng0varoqu31@xxxxxxxxxx
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> "Jam Donaldson, after receiving dozens of emails featuring photos of
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> X-rated high school proms, street fights, and children dressed as
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> pimps, decided there had to be a way to turn these images into a force
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> for change because unfortunately, they represent us all when they go
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> out into the streets like this, act like this, go to work like this,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> sing lyrics like this. "
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> http://www.blacknews.com/pr/cosby101.html
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Controversial Web Site Says Amen To Bill Cosby's Inflammatory Comments
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> About The State of Black America
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Has Generation X embraced Afristocracy?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> www.hotghettomess.com
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>

>>>>> Even if the other person is also black, be it Bill Cosby,
>>>>>Stanley Crouch, Chris Rock, Jam Donaldson, whomever. Did it ever
>>>>>occur to you that maybe *they* are all right, and it's *you* who is
>>>>>wrong?
>>>>>
>>>>I see. Set up a false premise (i.e. everyone I disagree with is a
>>>>bigot) and then ask a totally irrelevant question assuming that the
>>>>premise is true. Typical FOX news paradymn. Are you sure you don't
>>>>watch the network?
>>>
>>>Yep, I hardly watch an TV for my news, as I already get it from a
>>>diverse collection of other places. Now, how about answering my
>>>question, instead of yer usual lame attempt to meet a question with a
>>>non-answer.
>>>
>>Then you are naturally disingenuous. Okay. I can accept that.
>
>Nope, now how about answering the question without anymore beating
>around the bush.
>
Try asking relevant ones instead of your attempts to change the
subject because you are shown to not know what you are talking about.

>>>>>>>>>>What gives her the right to set standards for a whole group of people,
>>>>>>>>>>the majority of which she has NO personal connection with?
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>She isn't setting them, only proposing them. Big difference. Now
>>>>>>>>>guess what -- YOU could propose standards too. No doubt, under yer
>>>>>>>>>vision, young folks walking around with their asses hanging out of
>>>>>>>>>their pants is OK.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>What kind of hubris would I have to have to propose standards for
>>>>>>>>millions of people I don't know? Why would I want to?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>For the same reasons that folks like MLK wanted to raise the living
>>>>>>>standards of his fellow blacks at the time. That's called a
>>>>>>>leadership, oops, I forgot, ya have trouble understanding that
>>>>>>>concept.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>When did MLK tell black people that they needed to change themselves
>>>>>>to be accepted by white people? Where are these 'standards' that he
>>>>>>developed for black people?
>>>>>
>>>>>He wanted to raise their living standards by giving them access to
>>>>>better education, better jobs, etc. Don't you know *anything*?
>>>>>
>>>>Wanting to 'raise their living standards' is not the same thing as
>>>>taking on white critique of blacks seriously and telling them to
>>>>conform to that critique. Again you present nothing to back up your
>>>>stupid claims.
>>>
>>>See US History, King, Martin Luther, Jr. If ya did yer homework (for
>>>once), ya might walk away with a better impression of MLK.
>>>
>>Yeah, here's another of your silly references. You can't provide
>>anything to prove your silly statements so you make ambiguous
>>references hoping the fact that you don't know what you are talking
>>about will just go away.
>
>Nothing "ambigious" about MLK's efforts.
>
Didn't say there was. I said your reference to him in a feeble
attempt to respond to the question was ambiguous. Not surprised in
the least that you weren't bright enough to see that.

>>>>>>>>>>>She hasn't (and can't) forced others to adhere them, she can only ask.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>She should focus on herself and leave others alone. Her personal
>>>>>>>>>>standards are not those of the general populous and she has no right
>>>>>>>>>>to ask others to conform to her personal tastes any more than the
>>>>>>>>>>people living as what she considers negative stereotypes have a right
>>>>>>>>>>to insist that she conform to their standards.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>Wrong. She can ask, as can you, as can I. She can certainly to make
>>>>>>>>>the sale. But she can't force anything.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>So she's just blowing smoke so that white bigots like you will
>>>>>>>>consider her 'different' than other blacks. Typical black
>>>>>>>>self-hatred. No wonder you find her so informative.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>So, any black who wants to better the lot of his/her own people has
>>>>>>>"self-hatred". Preposterous argument. And strange, too.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>Not what I said. But then I did use more than one sentence and
>>>>>>history has shown you have a problem with that concept.
>>>>>
>>>>>Wrong. I suggested that she had every right to ask blacks to aspire
>>>>>to higher standards, and yer response was to say she had
>>>>>"self-hatred".
>>>>>
>>>>I said more than that. But then you do have a habit of taking my
>>>>words out of context so I am not surprised in the least that you do so
>>>>again.
>>>
>>>Yes, yer right. Ya said "typical black self-hatred". I inadvertently
>>>left out the "typical". Happy now?
>>>
>>I said more than that, but then as said above, you are naturally
>>disingenuous.
>
>No, ya said the young black lady in question has "black self-hatred".
>Now fess up, for once, and admit yer own words.
>
I should accept your using my words out of context? Why? My words
are already there for anyone who wishes to see them. Pointing out
that you use them out of context is the only thing necessary here.

>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Cosby has
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>stated several times he doesn't care whatsoever what whites say about
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>him, or his cause. He's focused, and you're not.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Not agreeing with Cosby is not the same thing as not being focused.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>You continue to say the stupidest things. His self appointed
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>sainthood is not impressive in the least.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Yer ignorant, no one ever said he was a "saint". All he is doing is
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>using his hard-won Civil Rights to speak out, and there is nothing
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>wrong with that.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>LOL!
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>Hmmm, looks like I left ya speechless again. Not the first time, nor
>>>>>>>>>>>>>the last time, for sure.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>Another example of a white bigot claiming a victory where there is
>>>>>>>>>>>>none.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>My Gawd, I think yer lost in the clouds again. Ya were caught
>>>>>>>>>>>suggesting that Bill Cosby, a man whom you constantly belittle, is a
>>>>>>>>>>>"saint" and now yer trying to quietly step away. No good.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>Your reading comprehension issues poke into view again. If you
>>>>>>>>>>actually took my statement about Cosby's sainthood as anything but
>>>>>>>>>>sarcasm you really need to go back to school.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>Since ya haven't shown a talent for detecting sarcasm in the past, I
>>>>>>>>>have no way of knowing whether ya are or not employing that. But I do
>>>>>>>>>know that ya enjoy dissing Cosby every chance ya get.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>I'm not alone.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>True, there *are* a handful of others who have their heads equally in
>>>>>>>the sand like you. But most blacks seem to Respect, and even agree
>>>>>>>with many, if not all, of the sentiments expressed by Cosby last year.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>LOL!!!
>>>>>>
>>>>>>You lie so much you do it on reflex.
>>>>>
>>>>>Nope, ya know I'm right, even if ya can't bring yerself to fess up.
>>>>>
>>>>Again with the bigot hubris of telling me what I know as if you have
>>>>some actual insight on what I know or believe that is more relevant
>>>>than my own POV. It's so typically racist.
>>>
>>>The truth is more relevant than yer or my POV. And in this case, as
>>>if often the case, yer POV, at least, is at odds with the truth. And
>>>there's nothing "racist" about that.
>>
>>LOL!!!
>>
>>You and the truth are not even remotely related.
>
>Compared to you, we're joined at the hip.

See? You lie again like a reflex.

von
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