Re: With Cheney, rules simply don't apply

In article <uk9Kf.722$F56.645@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>, Istlota says...

Carefully avoiding the question of whether or not your life in really that
perfectly under control ... I think you are onto something here. It makes

Mine's sufficiently in control to avoid car wrecks, arrests, fistfights, etc.
Good enough for me.

sense that out of control behavior would be a nature reaction for people who
suffer from the aforementioned personality disorders. I would add to your
list of disorders the fear of people of other races, or fear of young
people, or fear of gay people, or envy of rich people, or fear of poor
people, etc., etc., etc.

Drugs (and an excess of alcohol) impair judgement. Racism, etc. arise from a
combination of ignorance, as well as poor judgement and thinking skills.

Do you believe that you have not defended yourself from an attacker using
a gun
unless someone dies? If someone attacks you, sees your gun, and runs away
with
no shots being fired, much less someone being shot, are you saying that
that
doesn't count as a defense with a firearm?

I do question how often what you describe actually happens. All my gun

It happens far more often than shots being fired. Someone attempted to run a
friend and me off the road (and probably carjack us). He saw the loaded HK93 I
had pointed at him and took off. Did I not defend us?

toting friends chant the same mantra .. don't aim your weapon unless you
intend to use it. So, I am thinking to myself, if that rule is really being

That should be "Don't aim your weapon unless you are WILLING to use it."

followed, why is it that none of them have ever actually shot anyone? Common

That's twisted logic. Would you have the police do likewise? Every time the
police hold someone at gunpoint, must they SHOOT them? Do you consider a
handgun the equivalent of a Gurkha's kukri knife? Must blood be shed every time
it's drawn?

Someone charges you with a knife. You pull a handgun. He stops and drops the
knife. You shoot him. Can you explain the legal consequences to you?

sense tells me there can't be that high a percentage of unarmed
cowardly-lion assailants in the world. What seems more likely, to me, is
that my friends are drawing weapons on people who don't necessarily pose a
serious threat to them.

The problem is that you can't seem to draw a distinction between a common
criminal and Abu Musab al Zarqawi. The guy who takes your wallet doesn't want a
real fight. He wants some money for crack. He'll use violence if he perceives
little danger to himself. He's not going to risk his life in a gunfight with
you, when he can just beat the hell out of an old woman. Of course the nice
thing about a concealed handgun is that he doesn't really know if she's carrying
either. It becomes a game of odds with the deck stacked against him.

Clearly, you haven't thought this out, nor have you done much research. Of
course being an NRA certified instructor, and having shot since 1976, I kind of
have an unfair advantage over you. Still that's no excuse for ignorance on your
part.

I think of all the times in my life when white people have given me that
look of fear in their eyes, for no other reason than I happened to be a
black man, approaching them at night, with no other white people around. I
can easily see how some of my gun toting white friends might decode such
situations as life threatening.

Given the choice, I like it better that we're seen as potential danger than
potential victims. As opposed to my mother's day, A White person actually has
to give it some thought before they try to hang you from a tree. Back in the
day, it was a "Anybody can play" situation. If you were White, you and a bunch
of friends could organize a lynching the way you'd call a pickup basketball game
today. Now, not only do you have to think about it, the odds are you'd be
afraid to go some place to find a Black man to hang. That's a GOOD thing. Did
you notice that John William King had to pick a lone Black man in an isolated
area to drag behind his pickup truck? Have you noticed that you don't see much
of that around 63rd and Halsted in Chicago, or on Kinsman in Cleveland? That's
because it's PHYSICALLY DANGEROUS. Lynch mobs don't like physical danger... at
least not toward themselves.

In our "Mad Max" future, most citizens will live in a constant state of
fear, will own weapons, and will choose to use them in situations which can
be handled with less volatile methods. If you think back to the all three

And being unarmed and helpless will help you how in such circumstances?

Max Max movies, Mel Gibson's character was one bad-ass, take-no-crap, dude
from the last few minutes of the first movie through all two other movies.
But, he was also a man alone. Isolated from society. Trusting no one. Not

Adaptive behavior is always an advantage. Again, being a victim helps YOU how?

daring to love or befriend anyone. I would prefer death to such a life. You

Well, there we have it. Your choice. Not mine. Nor will I ever let anyone
force such a choice on me. But I respect your right to choose, whether I
respect the choice or not.

would cherish it as a welcome alternative to the possibility of otherwise
being physically abused.

You've got that right. Remember, I have no imaginary friend, nor any imaginary
post-mortem "reward". If I let people in this world abuse me, I have no
expectation of anything better afterward.


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Gun control, the theory that 110lb. women should have to fistfight with 210lb.
rapists.

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