Re: Einstein's Aether

Darwin123 wrote:

On Oct 28, 5:38 am, josephus <dogb...@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:

Laurent wrote:


Is empty space real? Yes.

Does it exist? No. It isn't matter, therefore can't exist... yet, it
is.

Can it be measured? No, since it isn't matter, it is unmeasurable.

It is empty because it is immaterial, but has physical qualities. It
also lacks the property of motion, so it can't be described as
containing parts that follow a time line. The universe is background
free and there is no fixed or absolute frameof reference, nor absolute
time.

Isn't empty space all pervading, that which is between and inside
particles, like the aether? Isn't it eternal? Isn't it real? Isn't
empty space what Einstein described as the gravitational aether, a
continuos field, in that now famous 1920 essay? Aether (empty space),
like Einstein said, is not comprised of particles or components that
follow a time line. Motion is not one of its properties. You know why?
Because it is everywhere.

Empty space is the origin, a plenum, also known as the aether. That's
where field properties, like propagation speed and direction, or force
lines, are determined, and that's why it is physical but immaterial,
because even though it isn't matter it can act on matter.

Like I said, empty space is like a point, dimensionless, yet, it
contains the universe.

Look, it's really simple. Empty space was, then came the universe.
There can be empty space without a universe, but not a universe
without empty space... just like there can't be matter without
causality. Reduce yourself to a size smaller than the smallest
particle and what you get? More empty space. Empty space that, like
Einstein said, has physical properties.

Einstein's aether - which is the aether I mostly talk about - isn't
bound by time , but by topolgical properties, a set of ratios
determined at the aether scale; frame independent constants. A very
small number of fixed laws by which all matter and space must abide.
Physical (real) but non-material quantities (topological). Time
independent continuity and connectedness. We can also call it
topological space, inertial space, or even momentum space.

Aether is what allows EPR (non-local communication) type phenomena to
take place.

Lorentz invariant values originate at the aether level, they are real
but non-material ratios which often help determine Lorentz invariant
geometrical properties of objects. Take the fine structure constant
for example, change its value and you get a totally different
universe.

In relation to covariance and the twins paradox, there isn't a change
in the incoming flux of quantum matter (ZPR, material space, Guth's
'false vacuum') as much as there is a change in the information
processing speed, or more simply said, a change in process speed.
Also, that's where inertia comes from, a change in process speed.

Since the speed of light, hence, the propagation speed of fields, must
remain constant for all the other constants to continue to be
proportianally the same, process (mass) has to increase in order to
keep up... to a point, once you go over the speed limit and fields
can't keep up, matter disintegrates.

To measure aether drag all you need to do is measure the momentum of a
moving object.
it was not Einstein that disproved Aether. it was James Clerk Maxwell

that showed light does not need a medium and Michealson-Morely tested
for it in 1985 and it suppored James Clerk Maxwell. That disporeved ether.


I have read English translations of articles by both A. Einstein
and H. A. Lorentz. Neither of them at any point say that the ether
theory is disproved. What they both say is that the ether is
redundant. I believe the word redundant is actually referring to a
particular mathematical property, nonuniqueness. Even in common
language, redundant means having multiple copies.
The absolute velocity of the ether is not unique. If one
constructs an ether consistent with physics, another ether consistent
with physics can be consructed at another velocity. This doesn't mean
the first ether didn't exist.
While you may consider this a nonissue, I believe that the two
concepts are actually contradictory. Something can't be both redundant
and nonexistent at the same time.

really? and how would you verify it? claims of authority are not good enough.

josephus


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