Re: UFOs cannot be extraterrestrial. SETI is a waste of money

On 24 May 2007 08:33:47 -0700, Ian Parker <ianparker2@xxxxxxxxx>
wrote:

A website I recently looked up asked you to vote on what UFOs were.
53% said that they were extraterrestrial spacecraft. This posting is
meant to disabuse anyone of this notion.

My arguments do not rest on whether of not we are alone, with the
Drake equation or anything else of this type. No the argument against
ET is technological. I think a good starting point for this discussion
is to look at how we might make an interstellar journey, and what the
state of our technology would be likely to be were wee to make it.
http://groups.google.co.uk/group/sci.physics/browse_frm/thread/1d7c010855ca=
f1dd/074a60610c4da1bb?lnk=3Dst&q=3D&rnum=3D1&hl=3Den#074a60610c4da1bb
One interesting aspect of our present day technology is the fact that
everything is getting miniaturized. We are talking about molecular
memories, about a cube which will be available by 2020 and hold our
lifetimes experience. I have discussed using antimatter in the thread.
Antimatter is of course a feasible route when you are not transporting
very much material. An interstellar journey will be made with a Von
Neumann probe. How large will it be and how fast will it travel?
Certainly not FTL, this has been discussed at length and ruled out. I
am postulating a probe delivering 1 gram of active material travelling
at c/2. Sam Wormley thinks that is optimistic, I think he said so in
the thread. Now if we look at nanotechnology and its probable
development all you will need to deliver is a gram. Remember that a
single sperm carries half the human genome of 600MB. If more
information is needed it could be sent by laser.


FTL travel is NOT "ruled out", not YET anyway. There's
still a lot to find out about how the universe is
set up. There may indeed be ways to "cheat Einstein".
Might not even take much power, just the right "english"
on the universe. After all, why DO things stay where
they are when they COULD be anywhere ? It is suggested
that time, space and distance are something of an
illusion anyway, created by our narrow 3-D view of
a much larger reality. Break free of the illusion and
all manner of "impossible" things become possible.

But FTL travel may be HARD to figure out. Therein
lies the seed of one argument against extraterrestrial
visitors, not that it CAN'T be done but that it's so
difficult, requires so much learning and intelligence,
that few or even none have ever bothered to DO it.

So what DO they do ? They do something far easier, they
create elaborate virtual realities and retreat into them.
Those provide all the psychological benifits of new
frontiers and high adventure yet consume minimal tangible
resources. In short, I propose that our advanced alien
civilizations all became plug-heads on life-support
couches, living the 'matrix' so to speak, LONG before
they ever perfected FTL travel.

So occupied, they NEVER WILL create FTL travel. If they
were smart enough beforehand they may have even ditched
their material bodies, had their vital statistics digitized
directly into a megacomputer, body and mind perfectly
simulated foreverafter (or until some maintenence robot
trips over the power cord).

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