Re: JSH: Math journals do not just die

[jstevh@xxxxxxx]
If p mod 3 is not random, then what are the rules?

What rules beyond 50% probability can you give?

[gjedwards@xxxxxxxxx]
if p mod 3 is 1 then (p+1) mod 3 is more likely to be 2 than 1.
if p mod 3 is 2 then (p+1) mod 3 is more likely to be 1 than 2.

[jstevh@xxxxxxx]
But why?

[Tim Peters]
I'd tell you "read a book", except you'd have to study hard to learn
enough to grasp the real issues here. I summarized them in recent
posts over the past few days, so read those instead if you really care.
To judge from the above, the full story on the distribution of residue
pairs is subtler than you or gjedwards realize so far.

[jstevh@xxxxxxx]
Then I challenge you to give a guiding equation.

Huh? How about you show a sign that you've attempted to understand
even a bit of the considerable good info you've already been given on
this topic. You're like a broken record here, endlessly repeating
"challenges" while ignoring substantive replies.

With the prime distribution itself, 1/(ln x) is approximately the
probability that x is prime when x is a natural number.

The probability that x is prime is 0 or 1, but we can't say which
obtains without knowing the value of x first. If you want to make a
correct statement instead, then the probability that an integer drawn
uniformly at random from 1 through x is prime approaches 1/ln(x) as x
approaches infinity. You don't see the distinction, right? Think it's
just meaningless "math-ese"? Too bad, if so.

I think that if I am wrong with this p mod 3 thing then there should be
rules, which in mathematics are embodied in equations.

Do you /have/ a coherent claim "with this p mod 3 thing"? If so, what
is it? Don't bother if you want to say "it's random" again. While you
may be deluded enough to actually believe people were "lying" about
this, it's /obviously/ not random by any accepted meaning of the word.
If you need to invoke some private meaning for "random" to get on with
it, then you need to define what you mean by "random" first. Not a
line of BS, but a definition. The sequence isn't random by any
accepted definition.

Give the equation or equations.

Huh? The value of your sequence at prime p is mod(p, 3). That makes
it non-random all by itself, just like p^2 isn't random, and plain p
isn't random, and no computable function on primes is random. That
there /is/ "a rule" for computing the value of your sequence is what
makes it obviously non-random (to everyone except, it seems, you -- in
which case you need to sell a different definition or "random", or live
with the plain truth about the accepted definitions).

And the group should remember this thread is about math journals not
just dying.

I had a paper published in a peer reviewed mathematical journal.

Yup, the Southwest Journal of Pure and Applied Mathematics, a minor
web-only journal that folded after about 9 years of operation.

http://www.emis.de/journals/SWJPAM/

I suggest readers go to that page to get some idea of the worldwide
reach of the journal before it died, as that is one of the site
mirrors.

And what electronic journals are very old?

Who said anything about age? /A/ salient point is that it folded.
Another salient point is that SWJPAM was a minor journal with an
unenviable reputation.

Remember, this is like a court case where I am asking you to consider
the possibility that members of the math community routinely lie to
you.

LOL -- try taking that to a real court and see what happens :-)

They are not used to being challenged because most people trust them.

Mathematicians are challenged routinely -- that's what proof is all
about. Try reading threads on sci.math other than your own.

The sci.math newsgroup erupted in fury when they found out.

How come you never give the rest of this story? Like that your
argument had already been refuted on sci.math, yet you tried (& somehow
managed) to get it published anyway.

Easy to say, when it's not true.

What, you didn't get it published? You didn't try to get it published?
It wasn't refuted on sci.math before publication? All three look true
to me.

I'm chopping the rest of this, because I've seen this act many times
before, and it doesn't even have novelty value anymore. Readers who
want to see a technical response instead of reams of more BS are
encouraged to read the:

JSH: Forget the lies, my paper

thread, where long-suffering W. Dale Hall has once again been provoked
into defending his good name (which, BTW, there's no actual need to do
-- anyone who swallows James "well, umm, my paper forgot to mention its
real point -- ya, that's the ticket" Harris's line here is probably
someone whose opinion Dale wouldn't care about ;-)).

... [creative history rewriting] ...

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