Re: genY has no interest in hi-tech careers



On Mon, 29 Oct 2007, morrisjcroy@xxxxxxxxx wrote:

With the exception of Russia + Ukraine + Belarus, most of those
Eastern European countries are a part of the European Union (EU)
today. (There's even a small section of Russia that's right in the
middle of the EU's borders, which would require crossing over 1 or 2
EU countries to reach Russia proper). Today there isn't any internal
borders anymore in western Europe, with the exception of mainly the
British Isles. One can drive across the Dutch or French border with
Germany these days without any border/customs checkpoints, and without
a passport. (60+ years ago, those same borders with Germany were
literally armed to the teeth). In a few years, there won't be any
more internal borders between western and eastern countries within the
EU.

Fine, if you want to project yourself as some kind of "free-trade" whip.

What makes you think I'm a "free trade" whip?

But, otherwise, what is YOUR point?

I'm playing Devil's Advocate.

You seem to get very emotional and angry over some things very
easily. All that tells me is that this is probably an important issue
to you.

It all depends on what level you want to discuss the "problem". I have always advocated for the underlings.

If you're pissed over me asking these sorts of questions and/or
playing devil's advocate, then I'm sorry.

Nah, don't worry about being sorry. I get all kinds of stuff thrown at my thick skin.

No, just what "Devil's Advocate" are you playing? Rah-rah-for the rich? Rah-rah-for-progress? Rah-rah-for-globalization? All that stuff you listed above...I think I know that already. What, may I ask, is the "conclusion" or "theme" or whatever you're trying to bring up? Right now, I'm more worried about the Iran thing (and lets not forget the Israilies just bombed some nuke facility in Syria, and the Turks & Kurds are cranking up...got your seat belt fastened?).

With all European internal borders eliminated, German corporations
"outsourcing" to places like the Netherlands, Switzerland, Poland,
Czech Republic, Hungary, Latvia, etc ... would be similar to
California based American corporations setting up shop in less
expensive states like Utah, Arizona, Colorado, etc ...

I think you'd have to separate the expensive currency countries from the
cheap currency ones.

All those eastern european countries are required to ascend to the
Euro currency. It's a part of the package they signed when they all
joined the EU a number of years ago. As a part of the agreement
they're required to peg their currencies to the euro for years, before
the full ascension. By no means is the Euro (and for that matter, any
currency pegged to it) a "cheap" currency today.

I'd have to see the nitty gritty on this. All I ever heard is that EE has plenty of cheap labor just like India, etc. Or, if you want to peg currency, then just have the people work for cheap.

The only european currency which could be considered "cheap" for a
long time, would be the Swedish Kroner. (Sweden has opted out of the
Euro currency, and technically isn't required to ascend to the Euro.
Similar situation with England). Despite Sweden's relatively "cheap"
currency, hardly anybody outsources there.

Well, my recollection from reading one thin book on this is that the situation over there is not so simple and that there are a lot of "arrangements" and exceptions to the arrangements, etc., and loopholes.

Most of the EE still has, from what I read, a lot of unemployment and poor infrastructures, plus more than the usual amount of corruption.

So, I guess, I'm just wondering where you're "coming from" on all this. That's all. And, getting back to me, I'm practically shitting in my pants over this crap about Iran (and then that Nat. Sec. Pres. Directive 51 which says Bush can become dictator of the USA anytime he sees fit, and rumors of a fake terrorist attack [some of this was in that The Week article]).



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