Re: Hope to work in a big research lab, what should I do?

I know you are helping me, as you read every word I wrote ^^ "A big
fraction of life is work, sweat, worry, etc." <-- I agree absolutely.
I guess you worry that I may be too optimistic to a point that I
cannot manage my life effectively or productively. In fact, I would
say that I should be more like the opposite. That's why I have been
thinking (or worrying) about the issue I asked for more than 1 year.

I know I am not going to have any answer about my own future, that
only fortune-tellers can do. My intent is to learn more about what-
else I didn't consider. So instead of asking simply "how to get a job
in at&t?" in my post, I wrote a bit longer (:P) to let you know better
what exactly I missed. I will read the link you gave me ^^ even though
I have a mixed feeling with it. I don't want to read it at all but I
want to know the fact entirely!!

Maybe it's the western culture or maybe it's happen only in this
group. I have bad experience in discussing my dream with others.
People either say simply "you will make it~ Don't worry" or "you dream
too much" and that's it! No link, no discussion, no opinion. I guess
they simply get too tired to keep thinking as I do, so just want to
end the discussion by saying something that I can give no further
response. :P


On Jul 7, 12:54 am, Straydog <a...@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
On Fri, 6 Jul 2007, wilsonthongwk wrote:
You are right. I am sorry. I read only first half of the "Only One Out
Of Ten Will Have A Science Research Career?" last night. I need some
time. There are a lot to read~ :P

Please understand that I am trying to help you.

You need to spend less time dreaming
I would say that dreaming is one of the most important things. It
doesn't give me any key to success, but a life.

A big fraction of life is work, sweat, worry, etc. We all live for dreams
to come true. Just understand that for many people the dreams will not
come true or they will come true for only a while.

I do wish you luck. Ask many people to explain life to you. What to do,
what to not do. Try to be realistic.

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On Jul 6, 9:13 pm, Straydog <a...@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
I gave you a link, and that link contains other links and hints and
secrets. Now, you are a young person and in the rest of your life you will
learn, just like everyone else, how much there is to learn about life. You
need to spend less time dreaming and more time listening to older people
who might give you wise, sage advice that will help you if you will only
listen and read. From what you wrote below, I can tell that you have not
started to read or listen.

On Fri, 6 Jul 2007, wilsonthongwk wrote:
Thanks for discussing with me. But what does "who you are, where you
are born" mean exactly? Does it mean that I have to pay attention on,
e.g., different visa polices for people of different regions, or does
it mean that my life will be very hard in US if I am not born in some
right places.

I may understand this "how old you are". If I am too old and my wish
still doesn't come true, hen just forget about it. :P

Thanks ^^

On Jul 6, 3:49 am, Straydog <a...@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
You need to worry less about the science-engineering aspects but worry
more about the various processes, procedures, policies, and trends of both
the governments involved and the corporations. Who you are, where you are
born, how old you are, etc., may be more important than your abilities,
knowledge, and brains.

On Thu, 5 Jul 2007, wilsonthongwk wrote:
Thanks for telling me know about the H1-B visa and the link. I have
heard some dark-stories about science/research in US, but no one had
given me anything to read. I have to know these if I really want to
"prepare myself". ^^

On Jul 5, 3:09 am, Straydog <a...@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
On Sat, 30 Jun 2007, wilsonthongwk wrote:
I might be a PhD student some months after (or might be not!). I guess
working in a big research lab (at&t, Bell Labs, IBM, CAIDA, Google,
etc.) is just a typical wish of most research students, but how
actually should I prepare myself in order to make this more likely to
happen?

It's always hard for me to discuss this issue. Partly because that all
research students around me are thinking about to be a professor but
not to be an employee of some companies. And most of the time when I
begin to mention some companies' name (at&t, Bell Labs), their
response more or less means "impossible". I know that's going to be
difficult, that's why I'd like to learn about how to make it possible.

Following are what I can think of or have heard of how to prepare
myself,
a) publish papers on high impact journals of relevant fields (such ACM/
IEEE Trans. of Netw., etc.),

Have you heard about labs being offshored (out of the USA) and into LDCs
where the wages are 1/4-1/5 of what they are in the USA?

b) publish papers on high impact conferences (such as SIGCOMM,
INFOCOM, etc.),

Have you heard about big US-named corporations doing everything they can
to hire imported Indians on (restrictive) H1=b visas?

c) have a famous prof. as advisor,

Did you know that Ford Motor company has moved its entire (so the newspaer
says) R&D labs to Brazil?

d) have some patents,

Do you know how many new labs have been built in India, China, South East
Asia, East Europe, etc., by US corporations?

e) have the same research topic as what a research lab is current
working on,

Have you read any research papers on the career half-life of scientists
and engineeers and IT people? About half or more will be out os
sci/eng/tech within one to two decades after they finishe their formal
training.

f) have good undergrad academic records,

It is a fact that for some internships, now, you will have to pay a fee to
get the internship and you will get no paycheck.

g) have CCNA, CCNP, CCIE,

How many people who actually have jobs in IT and have 10 years of
experience have you talked to?

h) have working experience,

Working experience, in a quality work environment, is very useful.

i) have a PhD from some US uni,

But be born in a third world country.

My friend told that b) is far more important than a), as companies pay
less attention on journals, but always keen to come along conferences.
He also said that e) is very important, as a friend of my friend was
employed by a research lab before having a complete thesis. He got
employed just because his thesis title matched with what the company
was working on! Also i) is said to be a key, but I have no chance at
all to study PhD in US.... That's not fair if i) is really a key....

Just apply for jobs, they will love to pay you less money.

Personally, I don't think that g), c) is of any help. Whereas d), h)
should be very very useful. However, for the h) I have no way to
obtain it unless quiting PhD.... and I have no idea about how hard
would d) be as compare to a) or b).

See below, at bottom.

For f), I hope that big research labs would read it! But every
research students are presumed to have f) already I guess.

Am I right or wrong with the above? Could I learn from your experience
if you are in at&t, Bell Labs, IBM, CAIDA, Google, etc.? Or can you
share with me you thinking if you have the same problem as mine? Would
anyone like to tell me more company names which are working on
Internet, networking, or ICT in general?

Career path from research to academic is always clear perhaps, as
advisor can always tell us about that. But come to the path of going
from research to companies, I hardly have a clear picture.

Here is a URL to teach you a lot:

http://science.freeshell.org

Thanks for reading this,
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