When are nations formed? ...was: Re: "inheriting" land?....Re: save the world



On Wed, 14 Feb 2006, Kamal R. Prasad wrote:


Russell.Martin@xxxxxxx wrote:
Kamal R. Prasad wrote:
Straydog wrote:


you don't like the terms "chance" or "circumstance", then

yeah -if colonization is included in circumstances, you could say so.

what remains is that your country was colonized was due
to mistakes by it's leadership that allowed it to be weaker
than the colonizing power. As I recall the history, at the
time India was composed of a number of independently
ruled states which undoubtedly weakened it, but that's no
excuse. Wise leaders would have realized the problem

The concept of a country never existed in India. Nationalism is a
19th-20th century phenomenon which eliminated tribal/ethnic territorial
boundaries -not just in India, but the world over.

Its funny that as we have these discussions I am sometimes simultaneously at a point in reading my Will Durant's "Story of Civilization" (I am finishing up volume 4 [of 10 volumes]) and just about that time Kamal makes some statement that is untrue. "...but the world over" is untrue; several countries, including what is now England and others in Europe, were discussed by Durant as being formed into a nation as early as 1000 AD. Boundaries were sometimes in dispute, and sometimes a country changed names and systems. But there were nations before 19th century.


The amusing thing is
that globalization is eliminating national boundaries.

Globalization cannot be judged to be successful for at least many more decades. Ther are many disputes already, many imbalances, and non-renewable resources once exhausted will change "comparative advantage" and we don't know at all about other instabilities that can break up the whole system.

.

Relevant Pages

  • Re: When are nations formed? ...was: Re: "inheriting" land?....Re: save the world
    ... to mistakes by it's leadership that allowed it to be weaker ... Its funny that as we have these discussions I am sometimes simultaneously at a point in reading my Will Durant's "Story of Civilization" and just about that time Kamal makes some statement that is untrue. ... "...but the world over" is untrue; several countries, including what is now England and others in Europe, were discussed by Durant as being formed into a nation as early as 1000 AD. Boundaries were sometimes in dispute, and sometimes a country changed names and systems. ...
    (sci.research.careers)
  • Should’ve stopped at community organizing
    ... Should?ve stopped at community organizing ... This nation is in sad need of ... experienced leadership, not a cheerleader who stands along the ... Now he has initiated a new congressional commission to settle the debt ...
    (soc.retirement)
  • Re: Kenyan military cracks down as opposition MP slain
    ... totally unnecessary political tragedy erupting in Africa. ... Gore conceded victory to George Bush rather than plunge his nation ... charged with the responsibility of leadership needed to act. ... Hopefully the forces within the political establishment and in the ...
    (soc.culture.kenya)
  • Re: OT: Already Giving More
    ... This great Nation will endure as it has endured, ... In every dark hour of our national life a leadership of frankness and vigor has met with that understanding and support of the people themselves which is essential to victory. ... I shall spare no effort to restore world trade by international economic readjustment, but the emergency at home cannot wait on that accomplishment. ... If I read the temper of our people correctly, we now realize as we have never realized before our interdependence on each other; that we can not merely take but we must give as well; that if we are to go forward, we must move as a trained and loyal army willing to sacrifice for the good of a common discipline, because without such discipline no progress is made, no leadership becomes effective. ...
    (rec.gambling.poker)
  • Still Resonant After All These Years
    ... This great Nation will endure as it has endured, ... In every dark hour of our national life a leadership of frankness and vigor has met with that understanding and support of the people themselves which is essential to victory. ... I shall spare no effort to restore world trade by international economic readjustment, but the emergency at home cannot wait on that accomplishment. ... If I read the temper of our people correctly, we now realize as we have never realized before our interdependence on each other; that we can not merely take but we must give as well; that if we are to go forward, we must move as a trained and loyal army willing to sacrifice for the good of a common discipline, because without such discipline no progress is made, no leadership becomes effective. ...
    (rec.sport.football.college)