Re: Do some people think they are owed a job?



On Sat, 31 Dec 2005, Old Pif wrote:


Straydog wrote: 

After some reflection on Dave's post, I find it remarkable that he could
say, for the first time in at least a decade, that someone might NOT find
all answers to some question on some website that _he_ controls/owns/etc.


Another remarkable thing is that Dave goes philosophical and theorizes
on the matter of no practical consequence. To his question


... but perhaps there will be some brave industry people who can speak out as well.


It is gonna be me ...


Do some new graduates and/or postdocs approach the job market as if they are "owed" a job, and >does this affect  their chances at finding work?


My answer to that is: if you keep your mouth shut and don't get into
that unproductive discussion on your job interview, nobody ever
suspects that you believe that you are owed a job.

However, you may recall BMJ's post a few months ago where he went to -- I think -- a teaching job interview and they were saying, IIRC, they could only pay X dollars where X was less money than he was making some years earlier. So, what they do is have interviews and start by talking about THEY feel THEY should be paying you less to much less than YOU might think
YOU are worth or what YOU might think is fair.

So, I really like this line of thinking "what who owes [or does not owe] whom, what" and it really gets back to that "golden rule" = them that haveth the gold, maketh the rules. So, I also recall Thomas B mentioning also the idea of "economic rights" as a parallel to "political rights" and its just sooooooo amazing that so many people nod their heads up and down that its OK for rich people to become rich/richer by various arrangements to transfer money from the people in the middle-bottom part of the population to the wallets of the rich and all by pulling the wool over the eyes of the sheeple. So, yes, I would be pro-union, pro-progressive tax, etc.

Old Pif


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