Re: Applications Scientist



On Mon, 3 Oct 2005, dgj@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx wrote:

Straydog wrote:

Steve, if you are reading this, I'd be happy to invite you to come back
and tell us if you got qualitatively and quantitatively better advice via
Dave's "back channel" and, presumably better information, because it is
being dished out privately. Oh, yes, please let us know if any of Dave's
'several people' warn you about any of the dangers and hazards or bad
outcomes of these career moves. You might consider that Dave might
sellectively put you in contact with some of his "darling" people who
only follow the mindset that "only positive attitudes are allowed here."
If you want, you can forward any comments you would care to share anonymously
to me, and I'll post them without attribution. I've done this before.


Hi Art,

We talk about Applications Scientist positions all the time. 

Who is "we"?

There are
64 posts 

On your website? Over what period of time?

representing either questions or advice on the topic, so Steve 
will find lots of stuff to search through in the archive. The posts
here about Applications Scientists seem to be mostly position openings
and now this thread, which really turned into a "watch out, you'll get
burned" rant from the usual suspects.

Oh, you mean that on your website everyone gets the pot of gold at the end of the rainbow? All those guys up at DuPont's lab sure didn't get that when the whole lab closed down last year.

I find it interesting the way you keep referring to the AAAS forum as a
"censored" venue.


Why?

There is about one post a week pulled off, 

Well, this sentence just says that: it is a censored venue.

and that 
is usually commercial spam, or these Indian scientists who think we
have a chat room. Even your hardcore people like Val and Chris would
have to agree that there is very little "censoring."


That's not what I hear.

We see more
converts from this NG all the time.

I see you coming over here all the time trying to harvest people to your website but I don't recall hearing much about sending people over here or to any other sources other than your own.

Any removal of posts is done to 
keep the site free of things like your Australian guy, who comes up
with posts like "Kill All Americans" etc.

Dave, you can either have freedom of speech, and "deal with" the fringe element, or not have freedom of speech. We both know how we both feel about this.

Those posts REALLY help the
topic of science careers, eh Art?

Behind this sentence is a judgemental attitude that justifies the censorship that goes on in website chatrooms and blogs. And, from what I read, there is a lot of it, too. There are a lot of people out there that
don't know, don't care, but allow themselves to get bent out of shape over anything other than standard media pablum and thus are happy if someone else filters the content (We can blame Hitler for bad things, but a whole lot of ordinary people followed his orders, too). A lot of these people also allow other people to decide for them what they should be exposed to and thus define truth and they eat it up, lock-stock-and-barrel. However, I also recognize that as soon as you have a website instead of, say, an open forum like a newsgroup, that the website logo, symbolism, and sponsors will be new factors that will influence how that website is presented to the public. However, those websites are also geared to attracting people, exposing them to information usually intended to getting those people to come back for repeated visits which in turn further reduces their exposure to content filtered out by the website. When I was younger we heard so much about how Russia's government controlled media was a propaganda tool.
I have a book on my desk, right now, with the title "Four Arguments for the Elimination of Television" by Jerry Mander. Its quite interesting. At least to me.

Some of the most valuable advice I ever got in my whole life includes what you would call "negative" information. Warnings and information about what can go wrong and how to avoid trouble, or at least be braced or prepared for "earthquakes" (New Orleans sure was not prepared, and maybe you care about 9/11, too), as far as I'm concerned, are more important than the
warm-fuzzy story. I never worried about happiness in my life. That came
naturally as long as pain and trouble were nowhere around or at least far away.

I also think there are other things in life besides science career issues that are indirectly related to science careers and just as important.


Dave


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