Re: raw america
- From: Straydog <asdf@xxxxxxxxx>
- Date: Mon, 12 Sep 2005 07:22:25 -0400
On Mon, 11 Sep 2005, zach wrote:
I don't recall if Iposted here, but I visited Sweden two months ago, and got to shoot all sorts of automatic weapons: AK-4 (what the Swedish military carries), SAW, suppressed MP5, fully-auto Glock w/30rnd mag (like in The Matrix 2), and some others. Pathetic, that I could shoot things in a Liberal Western European country (legally, we were on an Army base
And, what other caveats were connected with that fact?
What do you mean?
Swedish army base? Laws different there than off base? Priviledges to sponsored guests? Does "legally, we were on an Army base" mean you were there legally?
We weren't violating Swedish laws. It was a nice suprise that our Swedish hosts were not gun-fearing, anti-American, Leftists. Quite the opposite, in fact (which means they would be outside the normal distribution for this newsgroup).
I think you misjudge this newsgroup.
Their opinion of
their rabid, American-hating citizens was that they are the Swedish equivalent of our rednecks.
So, basically, then, the Swedes -- if I understand you -- have a society with heterogeneous political beliefs? Then, why do you talk about this fact as if everyone, or nearly everyone, in the USA is leftist and gun-fearing?
People who never travel anywhere, and are
content to hate everything that they don't know or care to know.
I know people who never travel anywhere and they love everything.
Speaking of which, I spent last Sat. cooking a bbq for some nice Swiss college students. They were biking cross-country from NYC to SFO, on summer break. They said that a lot of people back home told them to be careful about going through "flyover" USA, that it was populated by fearful rednecks who hated foreigners.
You mean like born-in Arizona legal US citizens getting run over, assalted, robbed, and beaten by illegal Mexicans?
They said that they had met
nothing but extremely nice people, starting in New Jersey, and including my friend who offered to let them stay at his house for the night.
Gee, must be a rare breed here in the USA.
They told us some good stories of good people, all the way
cross-country. I hope they go back to Switzerland and spread some truth around, other than the usual media-fed BS.
You think its all BS?
In addition to that, after
visiting 7 countries in Europe in July, we found nothing but nice people.
Why are you telling me this? Did I ever say anything bad about any country in Europe?
Even the French were hospitable and friendly. We saw an American flag hanging in a window in Bastogne (I guess someone there remembers that we saved their town in WWII). We were warned by our hotel clerk not to walk around at night in the part of Brussels we were staying, but that was because it was a Muslim Turkish neighborhood (and who cares of they hate us?).
I went to a conference (years ago) in Richmond, Va, and they had signs in the dorm lounge area "Don't go off campus at night." I could tell you about Chicago.
We found some anti-American grafitti the
next morning and stuck American flag stickers on it.
I see signs around here "Viva Mexico" ...I wonder what the sentiment is behind that? Or, have you heard about reconquista?
Our trip was both nice and also enlightening. I didn't get the "they hate America!" feelings that we are led to believe by the media,
You know, I don't know where you get this idea that everything that comes over our media that concerns foreign comments about the USA is all negative. I certainly consider that some fraction of what this country does overseas is not going to be liked by some fraction of people overseas and another fraction appreciates some--at least--major fraction of the USA. Obviously, talking about Kamal Prasad, he likes all of our rich people and defends their self -interest in protecting and expanding their
money, so how can our media (eg. this newsgroup) be promoting "hate America?". However, I will add that I still dislike Bush, and the WMD line he spread was established to be a lie. Unless you interpret that as a "hate America" line of thinking.
we were told by some that there were certain villages that don't like America or Americans.
I would take those pieces of advice seriously. There are some places in Hawaii, too, where if you are an outsider, you'd better not go there.
From the dark alleys and "champagne" bars of
Luxemborg in the middle of the night, to the street clubs of Stockholm and many places in-between, nothing but nice people.
in 1989 I was in Moscow for 3 weeks (one week in three other places, including Bulgaria). I found nothing but nice people, too. And, lots of interesting events, including that my hosts sneaked me into a secure area by loaning me their photo-ID pass (to which I asked "Hey, are you guys getting me into trouble?") and saying just act like you belong there. They also have great vodka. No shortages on that. And, I also didn't see anywhere near as many long lines (also like our right wing media likes to say were everywhere). They also had a very large number of cars (whereas our right-wing media tended to convey the impression that in the capital of the (now defunct) USSR containing millions of people, that there might be a couple of dozen cars (used by the corrupt members of the politburo). Yes, somewhere there is a disconnect between reality and our media...I will agree. Oh, yes, the buses and trains and airplanes all ran on schedule over there. Russia was not full of neon signs, but I thought people were better dressed, better behaved (no juvenile delinquents or gangs) than I expected. Everyone was polite and helpful. So, that's MY big travel story.
Of course, at this
point is when someone will whip out, "well,they like Americans, but they don't like our government!" Really? So what. We don't like their governments either, so why should I care either way?
I don't disagree with this, either.
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