Re: Obama in his speech today exonerated everyone.

Kali wrote:
In <fsepgd$bs2$1@xxxxxxxx>, Frank dawgface@xxxxxxx said: : : "Kali" <kali@xxxxxxxxxx> wrote in message : news:fsb34c$i8q$1@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
: > In <fs9p5r$buv$1@xxxxxxxx>, Frank dawgface@xxxxxxx said:
: > :
: > : "Kali" <kali@xxxxxxxxxx> wrote in message
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: > : > In <12289008.bbf0b0@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>, Honorable Professeur Von
: > : > TwoSteps OA .@. said:
: > : > : From : "Frank" <dawgface@xxxxxxx>
: > : > : Message-ID : <frq7fs$cq2$1@xxxxxxxx>
: > : > :
: > : > :
: > : > : >The rich will get richer and the poor will die off
: > : >
: > : > And the middle class disappears. Neocon bigot economics.
: > : >
: > : > : One can only hope.. clearly the working.class *stoopids* like
: > : > : *you* will never inherited the earth
: > : >
: > : > Ah, the spp zoo. Frank is a species of uneducated, US Grade A,
: > : > far right-wing neocon bigot.
: > : >
: > :
: > : And you? As Obama put it, the typical white woman like his "beloved
: > : grandmother" which he threw under the bus.
: >
: > There's the problem right there. He didn't throw his grandma
: > under the bus. People harbor stereotypes, and these stereotypes
: > affect the way we interact with each other. Everyone has them.
: > My grandmother, walking alone on a dark street, would be afraid
: > of a black man or group of black men walking toward her. Does
: > that make her a bigot? No. It makes her a human being, who fears
: > another person based on a stereotype.
: >
: : She called them "***" and on more than one occasion.

An older lady, in the 1960's, called a black person a ***?

: He mentioned : this in more detail and made other disparaging remarks about the woman : that raised him in interviews that same evening and the next day.

Disparaging? Niggah, please.

: The : comment you referred to was on slight reference, and all of his : grandiose speaking on this subject was to identify himself with the : street black, the poor and disadvantaged.

Oh, he was playing the sympathy card, you say?

: No doubt he tells his family : otherwise like he did with the Canadians when back stabbing them with : NAFTA.
: : : > What some neocons are doing with Obama's speech is, well, first
: > of all, not understanding it. Most real Republicans understand
: > it. Everyone with a college education which included diversity
: > studies understands it. Right wing neocons don't understand it,
: > as your post demonstrated, and as you continue to demonstrate in
: > this post.
: >
: : So which self rightous tree did you fall out of? Most "real" republicans : as well as democrats feel just the opposite. Your lame statements : regarding education show nothing more than some egotisitcal thinking : that the education you received is the only one that makes one : brilliant. You are very well self deceived. Your expertise in whatever : field you were educated means nothing when it comes to politics, : science, finance, engineering, geology and many other arenas, so don't : bother attempting to impress me with your so-called education that : discounts all others.

I don't make a habit of trying to impress blowhards.

Frank's no blowhard. He's a John Bircher.

: I noticed that in the area of finance you did rather poorly resulting in : judgements against you in the 10's of thousands of dollars. Posted by : someone who obviously holds you in contempt.

Uh oh, pulling out the big guns now, and getting personal.

Let's just say, and I mean this in all sincerity: I hope you never have to deal with the IRS after making a mistake on your taxes following the deaths of both parents and a very complex inheritance and difficult to close estate. : Diversity training, lol. only for the psuedo intellectual.

No, for almost every college student in the United States.

Frank didn't go to college.
He read by candlelight after splitting logs all day long.

: By the way, : few take that BS unless some PC types mandate it in order to attempt to : brainwash others and because the undergrad did not partake of its BS : doesn't make them any less educated.

Did those awful educated people in college try to brainwash you?

They might have, had he attended.
But he had cotton ready for his ears.

: > : Liberal is a misnomer when it comes to a political party, they are : > only
: > : liberal with someone else's money or goods. They detest free speech : > and
: > : attempt to control every aspect on your life, since it your life : > that
: > : needs controls not theirs.
: >
: > Most liberals are social liberals who practice tolerance of
: > others. Freedom of speech for everyone, including Obama's
: > pastor. Black people have every reason to be angry at the way
: > they have been treated in the United States, and they have the
: > freedom of speech to voice that anger in church on Sunday
: > morning, if they want to. It goes on in black churches every
: > Sunday. Get used to it. Only by addressing our racism in open
: > dialog will we ever get beyond this.
: >
: : You are rather ignorant on this subject, and obviously should keep your : comments to yourself. You speak in vague generalities and seek to indict : everyone without just cause or common sense. Your personal experience : and or personal prejudice does not extend to all. There are great : regional differences and experiences. A good deal of American Blacks do : not feel the way you think.

You don't get out much, do you Frank?

Only when he has to get a fresh stock of supplies.

: > People who understood Obama's speech understood his pastor's
: > words as an angry outcry. They also understand that Obama,
: > through his experiences in life and in the church, chooses to
: > unite people instead of dividing them, as his pastor's words
: > would do. That was Obama's message; this is what separates him
: > from his Pastor.
: >
: : What are you smoking? An angry outcry? ROTFLAYS. He spoke and taught : against America and the American way as part of the rebellion of the : "Afro American". He applauded 911 and didn't give a damn about even the : blacks that died their because of it.

Try and back up your assertion.

Back up?
Who dat??

: Obama acted like he was : disassociating with what his pastor said, and although in the days : preceding this speech he denied being there when anything was said, : however, in his speech he admitted being there. In fact one of Obama's : books is based on an infamous sermon of his pastors.
: : Obama then went on to "justify" everything his pastor was accused of : obviously rescinding the 1st part of the speech.
: : > The rest of Obama's message was focused on the very real and
: > continuing problem of racism in our society. No one is exempt
: > from stereotyping and no one is free of the effects of it. He
: > merely opened a sensitive conversation. Maybe it was too
: > intellectual for you. Certainly Kerry and Gore were far too
: > intellectual for the far right wing.
: >
: : WOW! wow, WOWEE! Ever the gullible one, eh? Anyone that falls for the : tripe Kerry and Gore put out, well, they obviously know far less about : this world than they think they do. I do hope that is just a common : sarcastic statement for it says little of your ability to differentiate : between fact and fiction and certainly shows you to be inept and : uneducated in world history politically or geology wise.

geology wise?

You know it's much more economical while flaming to just say, "yer stupid and I'm not".

Frank.... he's like a rock.

: "no one is exempt from stereotyping". A blanket non-specific statement : meaningless on its face.

It's a fact.

Frank don't take no stock in no fax.

: There are good and bad types.

There are positive and negative sterotypes, yes.

: In the case of : criminals Robin Hood would be a "good" and well you can figure out the : rest. Like good cop bad cop, it depends on who you are, where you are, : what you are. As to Racism? Speak for yourself Brotha or Sista.

We're all racists. We haven't gotten past it as a nation. Our black people are still angry after years of mistreatment. Deal with it. : As to it being a "sensitive" subject, are you kidding? Do you always : feel like you have to walk on eggshells?

Nope. Do you?

Frank uses eggshells to add calcium to his soil.

: Do you not have any : understanding of or any training in psycholoy?

You tell me. You know everything.

: Give me a break, : pullease! A sincere caring person has no reason or cause to being : concerned about a "sensitive conversation". Adults can speak freely, : open minded people have no difficulty with expressing their feelings or : "truths" nor receiving same. Damn! I just cannot wrap myself around such : weak thinking.

By your post, what you deny about racism, and how you get personally insulting with me, indicates a level of sensitivity on your part.

Frank's as sensitive as a pick ax.

: I pity you, and those you might attempt to speak to on this subject.
: : > The media does not say enough about McCain's supporters. McCain,
: > a centrist, socially left leaning Republican, now has to suck up
: > to the far right wing in order to win. How humiliating. He might
: > have my vote if not for this, and if not for his "Bomb Iran"
: > nonsense. He now has Hagee on board, who has said that hurricane
: > Katrina was god's wrath against homosexuals and abortion clinics
: > in New Orleans. Hagee is also big on bombing Iran because he
: > wants to speed up the Apocolypse. What a fruit loop. And that
: > other right wing religious extremist in Ohio - Parsley - the
: > freak who wants to irradicate Islam. That's called ethnic
: > cleansing. Will McCain pick Huckabee as his running mate, and
: > revise the constitution to better serve the King James bible?
: > What about the separation of church and state? Ironically those
: > intolerant of Islam would like to have the same kind of
: > government in the United States.
: >
: : Not sure who Haggee is, but I think he might be some pastor. If so then : you are a Hypocrite of the highest order. You decry McCain because of : Haggee, but justify Obamma. McCain is not a centrist, and I have not : much good to say about him. He moved very little to the right, about the : same as did President Clinton and now Hillary. Islam/ethnic? wow. There : are people of every ethnic cultural backgrounds that as Muslems. Let's : see, according to you someone wants to annihilate over 60% of the middle : east and far east, excluding China. Brilliant, simply brilliant.

Just sayin'... fair media coverage, and all that. : > McCain has sold out. And the neocons just keep harping on
: > Obama's paster, and bigots among them are suggesting that he is
: > muslim - which to the ignorant neocon, suggests he's Al Qaeda.
: > Just as they assume that Iran must be training Al Qaeda, even
: > tho Iran rejects Al Qaeda on religious grounds. What a bunch of
: > stupids. The Bush-McCain strategy: Keep 'em stupid, keep 'em
: > scared.
: >
: : Perhaps to your "educated mind" McKennedy has sold out. That is such : narrow minded thinking that is borders on the ridiculous. Catering to : those of other political persuasion when seeking votes cause you to : think they have changed their life principles? LOL
: : Obamma is currently and in the recent past sought Republican crossover : votes in the primaries.

Your point being?

The point is on Frank's head.

: > As an aside: Most liberals are to the economic right of Dubya,
: > in case you hadn't noticed. Never have we seen such a large,
: > spendthrift, and foreign loan guzzling administration. Corporate
: > welfare is at an all time high. Recently a taxpayer funded
: > takeover was given to JP Morgan. Dubya just borrows more money
: > from China to fund the tax breaks for the extremely wealthy. How
: > stupid have we all been? We gave a president the right to
: > declare an unjustified war without an act of Congress, and make
: > him exempt from having to get a warrant to spy on people. Chaney
: > says "screw you" to The Will of The People. Big government, big
: > spending, trillions of dollars in deficit, inflation, and
: > unemployment. The dollar is at an all time low. Our economy is
: > in the toilet.
: >
: : I needed those tax breaks and can use more of them, I would prefer : dropping capital gains and inheritance tax. Your lack of understanding : the JP support shows your financial ignorance.

I'm well aware of why it had to be done. I don't have to like it.

: It could have cost you : far more personally. As to spying on the GP, President Clinton did that : with far less authority than did Bush, and with less honor or controls. : The spying you refer to is not on any American unless they are involved : with foreign agents. I want that. While I certainly do not approve of : the way the Democratic gov't is spending our monies there is a little : more to it than you understand. You becry the billions or trillions,

The federal deficit, Frank. Bush went through a healthy surplus like a crack ho with a stolen credit card, and when that ran out he started writing bad checks and borrowing from China and the Saudis.

Dubya's Da Man!

: the : inflation and unemployment ONLY because they are not spending money the : way you wish. You are just repeating dogma from the left. Unemployment : is low nation wide at this point.
: : > Who is gonna pony up when Johnny decides to bomb Iran because
: > he's certain that Al Qaeda is being trained there (and he
: > doesn't have Joe Lieberman there to help him in his senior
: > moment)? Do we borrow more money from China? McOld has admitted
: > to not knowing much about the economy. What does our economy
: > look like after 4 more years?
: >
: : Who the hell knows, and I certainly don't support him. There is not much : difference between McGovernment and Hillary or Obama.
: : If you remembered your recent American history then you would remember : that only 4 years ago McKennedy was seriously considering switching over : to the Democratic party.

Yes, he's a left leaning centrist, no surprise. He's a war mongerer, though.

McCain's too volatile, too old, and now, too beholden to the right wing Republican crowd. Besides that, the North Vietnamese warped his brain.

: > : As an example of their superior intellect the liberals are now : > choosing
: > : between two non vetted people. Neither of which has any : > understanding of
: > : business or even what purpose it serves, no foreign relationship
: > : experience, Obama wants to bomb Pakistan, both have promised to : > destroy
: > : NAFTA in public but behind the scenes they cater to the cosigners.
: > : Hillary wants, as does Obama, free medical services like Canada, : > even
: > : though Canadians come here to get and pay for health services.
: >
: > Canadians are very happy with their health care. Their system
: > works. We should be so fortunate as to have health care for
: > everyone. On health care our country is ranked 37th worldwide,
: > between Costa Rica and Slovenia. Canada is ranked 30th. It is
: > better than ours.
: >
: : Care to buy some swamp land in Florida? I'm sure I could hook you up : with a realtor you can buy some from. I shudder to think how you would : vote with such an ill informed view of socialized medicine and I would : hate to be in your shoes should you ever have need of same. Add one more : item to your ever extending list of "educated theories and practices".

I'm just looking at statistics and going by what I've heard from Canadians (and Europeans).
: > : Neither has a policy, both are weak on everything political, both : > deal
: > : with "personal politics" and the foolish, and the "educated elite"
: > : merrily vote for them.
: >
: > You are entitled to your opinion and political point of view.
: > And on the elite, you need to get on board with the new
: > landscape. Even your media notes that the educated elite is on
: > the left, is socially liberal, and prefers less government and
: > spending than we've had with the last eight years of Bush Jr.
: > The "left" also includes centrist Republicans who left camp
: > because of the religious right takeover of the party.
: >
: : There is no religous takeover of any party.

So you say.

: There are people who would : like to exercise their right of religion the same as the Islamists in : America receive.

Then they should. There is nothing stopping them.
: > : Odd; the use of the word species in a context befitting Forrest : > Gump.
: > : PKB?
: >
: > Please do get an education.
: >
: : I have one thank you, and I'm ever grateful that it does not concur

concur?

: with : your beliefs and ill informed thinking. I'm not expecting this post to : change any of your thinking especially since much of your thinking is : based on feelings not facts, polls, and dogma's while ignoring the truth : of every day reality.

Ah, the TRVTH of every day reality.

: You've a lot to learn about socialized medicine : and everyday economics and I wouldn't worry yourself regarding global : economics or even economics as it pertains to the U.S. as a nation until : then.

Have a good one, Frank.

Frank really does need to have a good bowel movement.

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