Re: Ping Iceman



Alan wrote:
>
> In article <4329BF2A.BA39BC4A@xxxxxxxxxxx>, equsphotogophr@xxxxxxxxxxx
> (hoofprints) wrote:
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> >
> >
> > Dan wrote:
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> > > "Iceman" <1c3m4n@xxxxxxxxxxx> wrote in message
> > > news:dg84tf$f71$2@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
> > > > Necco wrote:
> > > >
> > > >> Could you email me privately?
> > > >>
> > > >> Card XII
> > > >
> > > > Done
> > >
> > > Huh uh.
> > >
> > > Card XII
> >
> > Am I hearing or reading a denotation of 'surprise'!!!
> > Yes, I guess iceman has Dirty Danny's inbox email address.
> > OH mY!!!
> > hoof
>
> Hoof, I wish to draw to your attention this religion that discriminates against
> women:

oh why thank you soooooooo muchhhhhhhhhh!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
this is nothing 'new' yaknow!!!!!!!!!!!1

>
> The Biblical view of women
>
> The God of the Bible decrees that woman must submit to the dominance of man.

As does Old English Law!!! Circa 16th century!!!!!!!!!!

>
> "The social and legal position of an Israelite wife was inferior to the position
> a wife occupied in the great countries round about...

> all the texts show that
> Israelites wanted mainly sons to perpetuate the family line and fortune, and to
> preserve the ancestral inheritance... A husband could divorce his wife; women on
> the other hand could not ask for divorce... the wife called her husband Ba'al or
> master; she also called him adon or lord; she addressed him, in fact, as a slave
> addressed his master or subject, his king. The Decalogue includes a man's wife
> among his possessions... all her life she remains a minor. The wife does not
> inherit from her husband, nor daughters from their father, except when there is
> no male heir. A vow made by a girl or married woman needs, to be valid, the
> consent of the father or husband and if this consent is withheld, the vow is
> null and void. A man had a right to sell his daughter. Women were excluded from
> the succession."
>
> -Roland de Vaux, archaeologist and priest
>
> Burn The Daughter!
>
> "And the daughter of any priest, if she profane herself by playing the whore,
> she profaneth her father: she shall be burnt with fire." (Leviticus 21:9)
> Comment
>
> A priest's daughter, if found to have lost her virginity without marriage, can
> receive the death penalty, but in the form of incineration.
>
> How many fundamentalist priests who so easily condemn others would carry out the
> burning of their daughters if they found them "whoring"?
>
> (See also Genesis 38:24)
>
> Cut Off Her Hand!
>
> "When men strive together one with another, and the wife of the one draweth near
> for to deliver her husband out of the hand of him that smiteth him, and putteth
> forth her hand, and taketh him by the secrets: then thou shalt cut off her hand,
> thine eye shall not pity her." (Deuteronomy 25:11-12)
> Comment


UMMMMMMMM!!!! don't the English have a word for this type of behavior?
Cuckold.
But which is the cuckold, the man whose wife whores around with another
man, or is the term used to describe the trollop???

>
> A wife would naturally wish to come to the aid of her husband in any way she
> could if he desperately struggled with an opponent, but the Hebrew law
> specifically forbade a wife to help her husband in distress if that support
> consisted of her grabbing the enemy's genitals in an effort to stifle his
> onslaught. The penalty? Amputation of the hand that fondled the genitals!
>
> Only in an overly obsessive male dominated culture could men create such
> atrocious laws. As such, the penis ranked sacrosanct in the minds of men (as it
> still stands today). If a male lost his penis for any reason, he would lose the
> right to enter a congregation of God. (See Deuteronomy 23:1)
>
> Female Births Get Penalty
>
> "Speak unto the children of Israel, saying, If a woman have conceived seed, and
> born a man child: then she shall be unclean seven days; according to the days of
> the separation for her infirmity shall she be unclean." (Leviticus 12:2)

Oh my, the memories from SMDH are jumping front and center on this one.

>
> "But if she bear a maid child, then she shall be unclean two weeks, as in her
> separation: and she shall continue in the blood of her purifying threescore and
> six days." (Leviticus 12:5)
> Comment


Yes, I can see that hygiene was important back in biblical times after
childbirth.

>
> A woman who gives birth to a child must undergo a purification ritual lest her
> "uncleanness" contaminate others. This not only entails her isolation, but also
> payments to priests for the ritual acts. Thus the male dominators had even made
> birth dirty.


Yes there are some ancient societies just south of here who had whole
areas in their villages set aside for those times when a woman is
considered to be unclean.

>
> Notice here that if a woman bears a female child, her isolation must last twice
> as long as that if she gives birth to a male child!


Oh this is a good one!! Do you realize that there are some folks in
this day and age that still believe that gender is determined by the
mother, not the father? ( XX vs XY).

>
> (See also Psalms 51:3-5)
>
> "The Bible and the church have been the greatest stumbling blocks in the way
> of woman's emancipation."
>
> --Elizabeth Cady Stanton
>
> Female Inferiority
>
> "But I would have you know, that the head of every man is Christ; and the head
> of the woman is the man; and the head of Christ is God." (I Corinthians 11:3)

While this may be in the bible, the Greek Orthodox Church believes that
both the man and a woman share the same head and place within the
family, hence, they must agree with one another and compromise with one
another in their marriage. ( I heard words to this effect when I was at
my Cousins wedding in The City a few years ago. It was not the standard
RC vows that were spoken.)

>
> "For the man is not of the woman; but the woman of the man. Neither was the man
> created for the woman; but the woman for the man." (I Corinthians 11:8-9)
> Comment
>
> The Bible's decree of male supremacy has kept woman inferior to men for
> centuries. For the religious, it comes as a sad fact that a human must have a
> penis to receive any respect or power within the Church.
>
> All woman should realize that such phrases in the Bible has justified for many
> Christian men, not only their supremacy but a reason to sexually abuse women.
>
> (See also I Cor. 14:34-36, I Timothy 2:8-15, I Peter 3:1-7, Ephesians 5:22-24,
> Col. 3:18-19)
>
> Jesus Will Kill Children
>
> "Behold, I will cast her into a bed, and them that commit adultery with her into
> great tribulation, except they repent of their deeds. And I will kill her
> children with death; and all the churches shall know that I am he which
> searcheth the reins and hearts: and I will give unto every one of you according
> to your works." (Revelation 2:22-23)

What about the 'Rule of Thumb"? Where a husband will only rule over his
wife using his thumb, not fists!

> Comment
>
> If anyone thinks Jesus represents only a peaceful loving soul, then think again.
> For an act of adultery, Jesus would kill innocent children for the adultery of
> others; hardly fair justice, love, or the concern for human beings.

Yes, but according to the bible, Jesus forgave Mary Magdelan her whoring
ways and preached that mankind should follow suit.

>
> Some apologists claim that "children" refers to the followers of a cult of
> Jezebel and not to children birthed from Jezebel. However, if this proved the
> case, the situation would appear even more horrific, for a cult of believers
> could number in the dozens, hundreds, thousands, or more. The deaths of these
> multitude of cult believers (which would include children within its membership)
> would only make the moralistic problem far more atrocious.
>
> "It's interesting to speculate how it developed that in two of the most
> anti-feminist institutions, the church and the law court, the men are wearing
> the dresses."
>
> --Flo Kennedy
>
> Kill The Witches!
>
> "Thou shalt not suffer a witch to live. Whoever lieth with a beast shall surely
> be put to death. He that sacrificeth unto any god, save to the LORD only, he
> shall be utterly destroyed." (Exodus 22:18-20)
> Comment
>
> These verses attest to the power of belief as they led to the slaughter of
> thousands of defenseless people throughout Europe and the rest of the world.

I never did check out the Witch Burnings in Germany which listed the
names and crimes of the witches accused and burnt at the stake, I did
however, check out the logs for Scotland, and one of the chief judges at
the trials nee was Frazier!!

>
> Understand that these verses not only authorize the executions but they
> explicitly command them.

Witches Malificum, another book which I have not read yet, and is on my
future reading list.

>
> Verse 18 justified the burning of women in Europe judged as witches. In early
> America, the Salem witch trials resulted in the deaths of women and men.
>
> Verse 19 refers to bestiality, a sin considered worthy of death. Christians used
> verse 20 to justify religious wars, Crusades and the slaughter of unbelievers
> throughout Europe. And the condemnation of heretics still goes on.
>
> Rape My Daughter
>
> "Behold, here is my daughter a maiden, and his concubine; them I will bring out
> now, and humble ye them, and do with them what seemeth good unto you: but unto
> this man do not so vile a thing. But the men would not hearken to him: so the
> man took his concubine, and brought her forth unto them; and they knew her, and
> abused her all the night until the morning: and when the day began to spring,
> they let her go." (Judges 19:24-25)
> Comment
>
> Judges 19 describe a father who offers his virgin daughter to a drunken mob.
> When the father says "unto this man do not so vile a thing," he makes clear that
> sexual abuse should never befall a man (meaning him), yet a woman, even his own
> flesh and blood, or a concubine belonging to a perfect stranger, can receive
> punishment from men to do what they wish. This attitude against women still
> persists to this day and we have the Bible, in large part, to thank for this
> attitude against women.
>
> Verse 25 describes the hours long gang rape of the poor concubine. The Bible
> gives not one hint of passion or concern for the raped girl. Considering that
> many people believe that every word in the Bible comes from God, it should not
> surprise anyone why people still use these verses to justify such atrocities.
>
> Silence The Woman!
>
> "Let the women learn in silence with all subjection. But I suffer not a woman to
> teach, nor to usurp authority over the man, but to be in silence. For Adam was
> first formed, then Eve. And Adam was not deceived, but the woman being deceived
> was in the transgression." (I Timothy 2:11-14)
> Comment
>
> Another case where the Bible makes it quite clear that women live for man and
> must submit to them.
>
> "Man enjoys the great advantage of having a god endorse the code he writes;
> and since man exercises a sovereign authority over women it is especially
> fortunate that this authority has been vested in him by the Supreme Being. For
> the Jews, Mohammedans and Christians among others, man is master by divine
> right; the fear of God will therefore repress any impulse towards revolt in the
> downtrodden female."
>
> --Simone de Beauvoir, The Second Sex 1949
>
> (See also I Cor. 11:3-12, I Cor. 14:34-36, I Peter 3:1-7, Ephesians 5:22-24,
> Col. 3:18-19.)
>
> Stone The Woman!
>
> "If a man be found lying with a woman married to an husband, and a man find her
> in the city, and lie with her;" (Deuteronomy 22:22)
>
> "Then ye shall bring them both out unto the gate of that city, and ye shall
> stone them with stones that they die; the damsel, because she cried not, being
> in the city; and the man, because he hath humbled his neighbour's wife: so thou
> shalt put away evil from among you." (Deuteronomy 22:24)
> Comment
>
> (Read also Deuteronomy 22:13-21)
>
> The discovery of a bride lying with another man can yield disastrous results.
>
> If the wife's parents can produce tokens of the damsel's virginity and spread
> the cloth before the elders of the city, the husband has to pay the bride's
> father one hundred silver shekels and he may not send his wife back to her
> parents as long as she lives. But if the bride's virginity does not satisfy the
> requirements, the husband can get rid of her by letting the men of the city
> stone her to death.
>
> From a practical level, these designed laws regulating women's virginity
> protected economic transactions between men rather than for the sake of
> morality. (See Virgin's Worth below)
>
> "Virgin" Mistranslation
>
> "Therefore the LORD himself shall give you a sign: Behold, a virgin shall
> conceive, and bear a son, and shall call his name Immanuel." (Isaiah 7:14)
> Comment
>
> Perhaps the most famous mistranslation of the Bible, the word virgin here comes
> from a mistranslated Greek word for virgin.
>
> The original Hebrew version uses the word "almah" which means "young woman"
> which may or may not refer to a virgin. Of course the context of the original
> Hebrew Isaiah does not refer to a virgin at all, as scholars the world over
> agree, but only refers to a young woman.
>
> Later, the author of Matthew 1:22-23, quoted from the mistranslated Isaiah
> version, and thus the error turned into a world-wide belief.
>
> Today a few of the modern bibles such as the Revised Standard Version, have
> corrected this mistranslation and have replaced the word virgin with "young
> woman." (Isaiah 7:14, RSV)
>
> Apparently either God makes errors or the Bible does not come from god, but
> rather from fallible men.
>
> Virgin's Worth
>
> "If a man find a damsel that is a virgin, which is not betrothed, and lay hold
> on her, and lie with her, and they be found; Then the man that lay with her
> shall give unto the damsel's father fifty shekels of silvers, and she shall be
> his wife; because he hath humbled her, he may not put her away all his days."
> (Deuteronomy 22:28-29)
> Comment
>
> The belief some get about the Biblical law leads them to think that it
> represented a great advancement in morality. However, if we look at this law in
> the social and economic context, it becomes evident that it did not come from
> any moral ground, but rather to protect men's property rights of their wives and
> daughters.
>
> This law says that since an unmarried girl, a non-virgin, no longer serves as an
> economically valuable asset, her father must receive compensation. As for the
> legal requirement of the man that caused the economic problem, his marriage in
> that society gave him practically unlimited power over their wives. Such forced
> marriage can hardly serve as a concern for the poor girl's welfare.
>
> Wives, Submit Yourselves!
>
> "Wives, submit yourselves unto your own husbands, as unto the Lord. For the
> husband is the head of the wife, even as Christ is the head of the church: and
> he is the saviour of the body. Therefore as the church is subject unto Christ,
> so let the wives be to their own husbands in everything." (Ephesians 5:22-24)
> Comment
>
> These words of Paul describe another instance for the calling of the submission
> of women to their husbands. Note that the all inclusive "everything" could allow
> husbands to submit their wives to anything, including rape, beatings, slavery,
> etc.

I remember the scuttle*** created when the first married woman in the
US charged her hubby with rape. IIRC it was the late 70's early 80's.
Men were in an uproar!!

>
> (See also I Cor. 11:3-12, I Cor. 14:34-36, I Timothy 2:8-15, I Peter 3:1-7, Col.
> 3:18-19.)
>
> Women Shall Not Speak
>
> "Let your women keep silence in the churches: for it is not permitted unto them
> to speak; but they are commanded to be under obedience, as also saith the law.
> And if they will learn any thing, let them ask their husbands at home: for it is
> a shame for women to speak in the church." (I Corinthians 14:34-35)
> Comment
>
> If one ever wishes to find an explanation of woman's inferiority to men, one
> only has to look in the Bible. Paul makes clear and delineates the importance of
> woman recognizing her place, "ad nauseam."
>
> (See also I Cor. 11:3-12, I Timothy 2:8-15, I Peter 3:1-7, Ephesians 5:22-24,
> Col. 3:18-19.)
>
> "The bible teaches that women brought sin and death into the world, that she
> precipitated the fall of the race, that she was arraigned before the judgment
> seat of Heaven, tried, condemned and sentenced.


Adam had 'free will' and he did not have to eat the apple offered to
him!! Yaknow, so both are to blame.

> Marriage for her was to be a
> condition of bondage, maternity a period suffering and anguish, and in silence
> and subjection, she was to play the role of a dependent on man's bounty for all
> her material wants, and for all the information she might desire... Here is the
> Bible position of woman briefly summed up."
>
> --Elizabeth Cady Stanton
>
> Women's Sorrow
>
> "Unto the woman he said, I will greatly multiply thy sorrow and thy conception;
> in sorrow thou shalt bring forth children; and thy desire shall be to thy
> husband, and he shall rule over thee." (Genesis 3:16)
> Comment
>
> Not only does the Woman get blamed for the Fall, but God decides to multiply her
> sorrow, plus, she must submit to her husband like a slave.
>
> Religionists have used this verse as justification and "reason" for the pain and
> punishment (sin) of childbirth and the sin of mankind. And to this day many
> Christians, Jews and Islamics place women lower then men in the ranking of Godly
> order. If ever there existed a more cruel justification against women, it could
> not have done as much damage as from belief in Genesis 3:16. Because of the
> belief in the Fall, countless Christians have branded the entire human race as
> depraved.
>
> Before the advent of male dominated religions, cultures around the world
> respected women and worshipped goddesses. The Old Testament records the brutal
> slaughter of surrounding cultures and slowly throughout the centuries, the
> goddess religions faded away in place of the belief-system of a jealous,
> scatological, male war god.
>
> "Christianity teaches that the human race is depraved, fallen, and sinful."
> --D. James Kennedy (Why I Believe, World Publishing, 1980)
>
> Rip Up Pregnant Women
>
> "Samaria shall become desolate; for she hath rebelled against her God: they
> shall fall by the sword: their infants shall be dashed in pieces, and their
> women with child shall be ripped up." (Hosea 13:16)
> Comment
>
> Throughout the Bible, God smites those who do not believe in him or those who do
> not follow his commands. Here we have the grotesque description of infants
> dashed to pieces and pregnant women ripped up. Whatever rebellious nature an
> infant's father or mother may have had, it bears no justice to an innocent child
> or to an unborn fetus who could not possibly have rebelled against God, much
> less understood him.

Even King Solomon didn't ascribe to such biblical ideologies.

>
> Anyone who claims to love such a God, must accept infanticide as one of God's
> ugly revenges.
>
> (See also Psalms 137:9)
>
> The Wicked Woman
>
> "Give me any plague, but the plague of the heart: and any wickedness, but the
> wickedness of a woman." (Eccles. 25:13)
>
> "Of the woman came the beginning of sin, and through her we all die." (Eccles.
> 25:22)
>
> "If she go not as thou wouldest have her, cut her off from thy flesh, and give
> her a bill of divorce, and let her go." (Eccles. 25: 26)
>
> "The whoredom of a woman may be known in her haughty looks and eyelids. If thy
> daughter be shameless, keep her in straitly, lest she abuse herself through
> overmuch liberty." (Eccles. 26:9-10)
>
> "A silent and loving woman is a gift of the Lord: and there is nothing so much
> worth as a mind well instructed. A shamefaced and faithful woman is a double
> grace, and her continent mind cannot be valued." (Eccles. 26:14-15)
>
> "A shameless woman shall be counted as a dog; but she that is shamefaced will
> fear the Lord." (Eccles.26:25)
>
> "For from garments cometh a moth, and from women wickedness. Better is the
> churlishness of a man than a courteous woman, a woman, I say, which bringeth
> shame and reproach." (Eccles. 42:13-14)
> Comment
>
> Ecclesiasticus of the Apocrypha does not appear in most Bibles. However, in
> Catholic Bibles, the inferiority of woman still appears in the verses of
> Ecclesiasticus. These verses give only a sampling from this book that lowers the
> status of women.
>
> The original article appears here:
>
> http://www.nobeliefs.com/DarkBible/darkbible7.htm
>
> I trust you will be doing your utmost to expose this religion in your country.
>
> You can bet your last dollar that I am in mine.

What brought this up???
hoof
>
> Alan
>
> http://veloceraptor.blogspot.com/
>
> http://theoriginalfirebird.blogspot.com/
>
> http://lordcerneabbastoo.blogspot.com/
>
> http://www.stopwar.org.uk/
>
> http://www.700women.org/

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