Re: Kevin: Let's see if I have this correct...

NayNay wrote:

Actually, I do not have a powerful disliking for education (as you say).
I have a strong liking for science.  I has 2 majors in college:
psychology and General Science (a bunch of various science courses).
(And, yes, I do have a M.A. in Ed Psyc.)

I also value experience.

But, I also have researched ( YES you can research without a Ph.D.) counselor selection and I believe VERY much in prudent selection -- as perhaps the best way to improve counseling (esp. if they continue for another few decades not to do the obvious needed foundation research -- see http://cyberper.cnc.net ). I still think selection of good candidates will always be very important and they do a damned poor job of it now.


"Harry" <harryhhaller@xxxxxxxxx> wrote in
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NayNay wrote:

What I really believe is that for the vast majority of
problems: a peer counselor, who can be seen more often and
more cheaply, is probably better -- and there still to this
day is no research to refute this.  A well-adapted briefly-
trained and educated and well-suited individual may very well
most often be better than the "therapists" today.  (Hell, the
great Carl Rogers himself believed this -- not to be confused
in any way or form with "Dan")

I also really believe the NEEDED counseling for most people
should involve NO insurance and be (in effect) FREE!

I think paying for counseling is an evil, just as a for-profit
health care system is absolutely an evil.


"Harry" <harryhhaller@xxxxxxxxx> wrote in
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Once I had an old colleague who'd start sentences with "research
has shown....".Everybody in the room would groan.You really think
no client (or customer) benefits from therapy?




I never liked handling money and sorta felt strange getting paid for
soul work.Still,a few of the classes were helpful.But there are some
very good therapists out there who wouldn't be as effective if they
had no training.
I did some counseling before the education and I know I was better
after exposure to ideas and some intelligent thoughtful people.Life
experience usually made the most difference in the effectiveness of a
therpist.You have a powerful disliking for education,don't you?



Brad,

I thought you had a good discussion there with Harry.
See you can get therapy from an exchane of Ideas.
Watch the outragious claims though.

Glad to see your back to being one of,...ahh us?

Kevin
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