Re: science & philosophy / mechanisatic & resonating



John M Price PhD wrote:
> Greg Alexander <galexand@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
> >John M Price PhD wrote:
> >> Well, Wilba, we sure are impressed by you.
> >> look at:
> >> http://talkorigins.org/origins/postmonth/mar05.html
> >> about paragraph 7 or so.
>
> >You like to put your personal attacks just a little below the surface
> >don't you John!
>
> Attacks? Assessments? You be the judge?

Ahh, you differentiate between something like
"You are an idiot"
and
"When you don't listen it shows you are an idiot"

> >I have one question
> >Assuming you think some of us are ignoring some evidence...
> >What is it that you think we believe?
>
> We? What, this is a conspiracy? Should I develop some paranoia here?

Read the rant you recommended:
> >> http://www.uwgb.edu/dutchs/PSE UDOSC/SelfApptdExp.htm

Particularly "What evidence would it take to prove your beliefs wrong?"

You see, you've been providing evidence, and saying we're ignoring it.
But you sometimes totally misunderstand others' beliefs so of course
your evidence is useless.

Belief: "I believe that tennis balls bounce better than baseballs"
Refuting evidence: "Evidence shows baseballs can be hit further"
Believer: "That's nice. My belief remains"
Refuter: "You are ignoring the evidence"
Believer: "What do you think I believe?"

> >The answer to this may clarify a lot. (or not, I suppose).

What do you think I believe that I'm ignoring your evidence to?

> >> As M. Scott Peck says,
> >> >> "Most of the evil in this world - the incivility - is committed by
> >> >> people who are absolutely certain that they know what they are doing."

> >> Peck? Ghack! Gees.
> >> Try a scientific view:

> >> "Ignorance more frequently begets confidence than does knowledge: it is
> >> those who know little, and not those who know much, who so positively
> >> assert that this or that problem will never be solved by science".
> >> Charles Darwin, Descent of Man.
> >
> >In a strange kind of way, these 2 comments fit together. Let me try:
> >Ignorance more frequently begets confidence than does knowledge. Most
> >of the evil in this world - the incivility - is committed by people who
> >are absolutely confident of what they are doing. Whether overconfidence
> >is born of ignorance or knowledge - beware.
>
> Well, first, you've rewritten Darwin.

Nah, I wrote an Alexander, with references to Peck and Darwin :)

> Usually knowledge does increase doubt. Does so for me, too.
> I am ready and willing to abandon the present state of knowledge
> (my personal subset) on the basis on new, reliable information.


You are confusing "knowledge" with "absolute certainty you know what
you are doing"

Greg
ps. These posts are too long for discussion of the key points.

> Hey, Greg, the answers to my question are, actually, hidden above!

I know I snipped that bit. Still I'm wondering which question?



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