Re: Don't laugh (Sono-Fusion is BACK AGAIN) this time with a new experiment and new participants

On Jan 2, 3:42 pm, David Kerber <ns_dkerber@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
In article <2cd21581-3381-486d-968f-
aac5bbbb3...@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>, steven....@xxxxxxxxx says...

On Jan 2, 8:04 am, David Kerber <ns_dkerber@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
But can it be replicated by other researchers?  If not, then it's
useless even if it's not faked.
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Quite true, with no repetition (lots of it), it isn't science.

History has shown that if a discovery is legitimate, and not based on
either falsified or unintentionally distorted data, it can usually be
replicated fairly quickly by other researchers.  "Fairly quickly", of
course, can be anything up to several years, depending on the complexity
of the experiment and the degree to which uncontrolled (and therefore
undocumented) conditions in the original affected the outcome.





I just don't trust Putterman and or Suslick to be the primary,
secondary, or tertiary investigators to vet this one.

Don't get me wrong Putterman and Suslick are great scientists in their
own right (really great stuff coming out of their labs,
I love the thing about the x-ray scotch tape) but there a hell of a
lot of history and bad blood on this particular family of experiments.

There must be a fresh group of researchers set to work on this one.

This time around I would like to see those two (or anyone from their
labs) held a million miles away.

They are the primary competitors in this bubble fusion race and as
such they want to quash any evidence of fusion until one or
the other of them get their own fusion ducks in a row.

I'm not familiar with the researchers specifically, but Purdue and RPI
are both very well-respected technical universities.  Of course, they
have an interest in seeing themselves be the spot where this stuff comes
to fruition, but they also want to keep their reputations clean.  So
there's a certain amount of tension between those two goals.

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Putterman is out of UCLA and Suslick is out of University of Chicago
Urbana

They posted all kinds of stuff to the media and even testifying before
congress saying that they do not think that sonofusion is likely or
possible in a SUCCESSFUL attempt to smear Rusi Talyarkhan (even as
several of their grad students have published papers they reviewed
contending that it is possible and even as they have many STILL ACTIVE
experiments clearly aimed at trying to generate some form of bubble
based fusion (micro inertial confinement fusion if you will.)

They both clearly do believe that it is possible and are actiely
working to try and do it. But they want to keep the idea suppressed
outside their own small departments so no other groups can receive
large amounts of funding and beat them to the punch. If this plays out
this has Nobel written all over it (yeah I know it's a big if.)

Despite what I think of him I still think Putterman's group is the
best placed to get the win. I just don't think he deserves it because
he is playing dirty to try and get there first.

Putterman at least brings many original ideas to the table but Suslick
is completely out of his element.

If this plays out I do think Putterman's team deserves partial credit
for the Nobel but not primary.

Politics be damned I still think Talyarkhan deserves it. His name will
be resurrected.
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