Re: Electrostatic Induction

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"Vince Morgan" <vinharAtHereoptusnet.com.au> wrote in message
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"Don Kelly" <dhky@xxxxxxx> wrote in message
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Alternatively leave it "open circuit" but with a very
high impedance voltmeter across the capacitor - I would be curious about
your results.
This I have done , and did observe a noticable current. The values etc I
couldn't tell you at this point as it was a very rudimentary experiment.
You are unlikely to make the rod move fast enough to make
the inductance a factor so its presence should not be necessary Small C
and
small L means that with anything you can move manually, you are a long
way
from any conditions where the inductance will be important.

Thank you for that. To be honest I had very little reason behind the
inclusion of the inductor in the first place other than to observe any
choking that might occur.

Yes, as you predicted, you will have a change in the charge balance and a
current will flow in the external loop (which has a low impedance, quite
different from a large air gap in the device mentioned before -in which
the
current in the air would be extremely small-possibly not measurable).


Yes, very different indeed.

The force that you
apply to move the pen has a component due to the acceleration of the mass
of
the rod and also a component in that you are modifying the electrostatic
conditions in the system.

Yes, I beleive this is where the energy transfer must be happening in my
experiment.

The Swiss device looks interesting but there is the same problem that
occurs
with a lot of magnetic "free energy" machines -inadequate and
inappropriate
instrumentation as proper instrumentation requires a good knowledge of
what
is being measured and equipment well beyond that available at the nearest
Radio Shack.

There has never, to my knowledge, been a thorough testing of this
machine/machines. There are quite a few of them within the Merthinia
community of varying sizes and outputs, and the smaller ones are not
identical in operation to the original. However, the differences are
inconsequential apparently.
What is truly curious about thier very existence is the fact that there
appears to be no gain whatsoever in any fraud here. And that they have
been
used (or claim to be used) for over thirty years now. There has never
been
any monetary or political gain and all the available evidence is that the
community itself has very little interest in the attention these machines
have generated. Perhaps they are all sharing a similar delusion.

Time reveals all things, and perhaps thirty years isn't long enough.

I don't beleive these machines produce more energy than it takes to run
them, from a scientific perspective. However, from an entirely different
perspective, it is hard to ignore the simple fact that they actualy exist,
that they took much time and effort to build, and are in every way
worthless
to a community that by and large abhores publicity if they actualy don't
work.

Even Eienstein once stated that it would take as much energy to release
nuclear energy as would be returned in the process. A chain of
curiosities
regarding previously unobserved phenomena combined with a disciplined
approach eventualy lead to this conclusion being disproved. And even
Rutherford deemed it impossible. The problem there was that at first
glance
it would appear to violate conservation of energy I beleive. At first,
second, third, etc. glance it seemed impossible.

I don't beleive the "Testatica" produces more power than it takes to run
it.
But I don't disbeleive it either.

The idea behind all this is to try and produce either a solid state static
induction generator using wire for the circuitry rather than air. Or, if
that proves impossible, or too far beyond my capabilities (and that
certainly is true currently), a compact rotary device that uses a wire
circuit rather than air. And it must produce current suitable for
inductive
loads. If it could be entirely self exiting then I will have icing on my
cake.

I've been purchasing equipment, oscilloscope etc. and components, for a
couple of weeks now with the intention of doing some more rigorous
experiments with measured results. I'll post those results here as they
become available. And Don, you are more than welcome to offer suggestions
as to what experiments would be of interest to you, and I will endevour to
do them accordingly. As I shall with your current suggestions.

Thank you for taking the time and effort Don,
Highly appreciated,

Vince


Vince, there is still the problem of physical size which meant that
electrostatic machines were dropped long ago. It was not because they
couldn't be built but because they were overly large, expensive and
dangerous except for very low power applications for special purposes. Yes,
you will be able to detect currents and voltages but actual power in and out
measurements will need a deep pocket for suitable instruments.
What do you mean by a "solid state" induction generator?.
As for the Swiss device- there is the matter of proving it and that appears
to be as far away as ever. Until then, I am extremely skeptical.

However, keep in touch.

Don Kelly dhky@xxxxxxxxxxxx
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