Re: Considering old age


Fwed getting stupidly insulting noted.

Jiff Extra Chunky noted.

"Jeffrey Hamilton" <bberesford@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:


Idiot rightard Troll, noted.


Jesus, you can't punctuate for shit, can you?

Fred J. McCall wrote:
Purblind liar noted.

"Jeffrey Hamilton" <bberesford@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:

Fred J. McCall wrote:
"Jeffrey Hamilton" <bberesford@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:

Fred J. McCall wrote:
"Jeffrey Hamilton" <bberesford@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:


It's not the workers fault that *management* failed to deliver
products wanted by the buying public. They (Big 3)steadily lost
market share for decades, but always paid themselves very, very
well. They didn't have to build a *better Honda*, they just
needed to build a Honda. A vehicle that was well engineered
(the Big 3 were the masters of Catch 22 engineering policies),
thrifty on gas and affordable.They had over three decades to
see the demand and ignored it.


That old myth. Sorry, but you're decades out of date. Quality
on US cars at the time of the collapse was roughly equivalent to
Japanese quality.

When the US auto makers had poor quality, it was probably due to
non-existant *quality control*, that is a management decision. So
was :*catch-22 engineering*. Once you start to lose marketshare,
it's a slippery slope, Fred.


Jeff once more ignoring reality even when someone exposes him to
it is noted.

Fred ignoring continued decline in market share noted.

QC is another union job, Jeff.

Yes it is, once management implements it, that is.


Market demand was not for little boxes. Demand was for
trucks and SUVs

Have a look at Honda and Toyota sales in North America, Fred.
Notice the rise of sales *and* market share over the years, Fred.
The market has been there for over 30 years, the Big 3 refused to
see, recognize and learn.


So you're stuck 30 years ago? Most of us are past that.

Refusal to see what was readily apparent for 30 years, noted.

Look at where the demand and sales were in the American market,
Jeff.


Look at the increase in sales and market share for the Japanese
vehicles. If there was no demnand......

7% of the cost of a new car is workers wages.


Well, approximately. It amounts to around $2100 per car,
regardless of which care that is. Thus for the little cars you
think they should have been building, labour would have had to
be a much higher percentage of sales price if you expect people
to buy them.


So it's not the high amount of workers wages then, agreed.



:<absolute tripe elided>

Workers work, company management is the job of the *high-priced
help*.


Yes, and for American Union workers, common wisdom was "never
buy a car built on a Friday or a Monday" because they were even
worse than the usual run of the mill. That may well be outdated
advice, as well. I haven't kept track of their quality trends by
build day.

See quality control .Answered above.


Indeedy. Union job.

Indeedy. Management has to implement it.


Unfortunately, workers don't always work. Unions certainly
don't. Union bosses are just that - BOSSES.

You might need to have a look at an assembly line operation,
Fred, it is a non-stop operation. They work alright, it's just
*your* lack of knowledge of the subject, that is the problem.


That's rather amusing, Jeff. Stupid, but amusing.

I just find you stupid, Fred, but not amusing.


So, what do you do for a living, Jeff? I design and build
missiles. They come off an assembly line.

Got some good quality control there, Fred ? Hope so.


Generally they no longer represent the workers.

Cite, please.


Kiss my ass, please.

First you'll have to remove your head, Fred.

The knock on Management is generally that it's
primary concern is not about the well-being of the workers, but
rather the financial health of the company.

Well the *high-price* management certainly failed in both areas,
didn't they, Fred ?

So ask yourself what the primary
concern of the professional union leaders and politicians is.

Now it's union leaders *and* politicians, is it, Fred ?
Did you want to blame the butcher, the baker and the candle-stick
maker too :?

If you
believe it's the local workers rather than the power of the union,
you should put down the bong. You've had enough.

WTF are you blathering about now. Fred ?


I think it's time for some 'union reform' to fix that.

Do you think running a union is some sort of a one day a week
operation, Fred ? The head of the UAW is responsible for more
people than Wagoner was at GM. In 2007 Wagoner made 20 + million
dollars, the head of the UAW made 150 thousand dollars. When
Wagoner retired he had negotiated a 20 million dollar retirement
package, to be paid over 5 years. The UAW had no retirement funds
due to mis-management by the Wagoners. That is the reason they
(UAW/CAW) are now share holders.
Show me the *union reform* needed, Fred.


See the problem description, above, Jeff.

Lack of response noted, Fred.

cheers.....Jeff


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