Re: Shadow Factory

On Oct 21, 4:30 pm, Mark Borgerson <mborger...@xxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
In article <4de712d9-4dc2-4c7c-b098-
048ba8a14...@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>, jacklinthi...@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
says...



On Oct 21, 2:37 pm, Mark Borgerson <mborger...@xxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
In article <gdkqgj$2c...@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>,
william.bl...@xxxxxxxxxxxxx says...

"Mark Borgerson" <mborger...@xxxxxxxxxxx> wrote in message
news:MPG.236785afb85f5d8a989948@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx

Which agency do you think employed Bamford?   I've found nothing in any
web-accessible biography that indicates that he was ever employed
by any US intelligence agency.  Perhaps he was a CT during his three
years in the Navy.   If so, he wasn't an 'intelligence officer'..

http://dir.salon.com/story/news/feature/2005/12/23/bamford/print.html

Describes him a s acting as 'an intelligence officer' in the US navy.

Well, since he didn't get his college degree until after he got out
of the Navy,  I doubt that he was an officer.  He could have been
a sigint or other intelligence specialist as an enlisted man.

Wikipedia describes him as 'an intelligence analyst during the Vietnam War'
during his time in the US Navy.

I suppose that he could have had some access to NSA programs then.  I
certainly did by the time I had spent about 4 years in the Naval
Security Group in about the same time frame (and apparently, in some of
the same places).  Three years in the Navyisn't really enough time
to  become much of an analyst, though.  After two years out of
school, you're very lucky to get to E-5.   At that point you're
doing mostly collection, and not a lot of analyzing.

Mark Borgerson

Somehow he learned to use the Freedom of Information Act as a lever,
despite the NSA not being subject to the FOIA.

I found that out when I tried to get some FOIA info on some projects
that I worked on in the 70's.   Got a polite letter back saying that
the material was still unreleasable due to national security concerns.

I may have a long time to wait, then.  They finally released a full
list of the personnel in the OSS in WWII just this year.  That
took about 60 years.  (I caught that news release because my
father's name was on the list, and I've kept up an interest in
material on the OSS.)

Callsign analysis
might qualify or sorting out DF bearings.

I suppose---but that's not the same kind of work done by the
real 'analysts' at CIA and NSA.

Mark Borgerson.

I question whether there is much "real analysis" going on now. The
machine and electronic cover seems pretty difficult to break without
some Walker material. Even traffic analysis is hard if the channel is
in constant use. If it weren't I would be even more disappointed than
enthusiastic.
.

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