Re: Battleships...again......

Andre DogLeavings <andreloony@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:

:On Mar 11, 4:25 am, Fred Jerkoff McCuelessl <fmcc...@xxxxxxxxxx>
:oozed:
:> Andre Lieven <andrelie...@xxxxxxxx> wrote:
:>
:> :On Mar 11, 1:38 am, Fred J. McCall <fmcc...@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
:> :> Andre Lieven <andrelie...@xxxxxxxx> wrote:
:> :>
:> :> :My above definition of a fleet carrier is of a ship with at least 50 aircraft,
:> :> :and radar so as to be able to direct her fighter cover, plus it has to be a ship
:> :> :with a speed of at least that of contemporary battleships, if not a couple of
:> :> :knots more.
:> :>
:> :> So by your definition the brand new UK 'super carriers' would not
:> :> qualify as 'fleet carriers', despite being larger than anything the
:> :> Royal Navy has ever had?
:> :
:> :Hardly, as my inclusion of radar clearly speaks to 1939-1945 period
:> :ships and airwings.
:> :
:> :If you had a question about this point, you could have... ASKED, rather
:> :than blindly charging ahead into ASSumption Land...
:>
:> Pleased to see you're your usual charming self, Mr Lieven...
:
:Well, you're the knob who cannot read for comprehension.
:

And you're the one who just threw out over half the UK's WWII fleet
carriers as not qualifying under the 'Loony Lieven Law'.

:> :> The projected HMS Queen Elizabeth will be slow (around 25 knots)
:> :
:> :So, what are the " contemporary *battleships* " to them ?
:> :
:> :Oh wait, THERE AREN'T ANY. Thats MORE of a Clue that I was
:> :speaking in *historical terms*... Duh.
:>
:> Then you just have to use the last ones built, don't you?
:
:No. The word " contemporary " has a MEANING. Dumbass.
:

Your 'Law' also throws out over half of the UK's WWII fleet carriers.

:> :> and
:> :> will carry fewer than 50 aircraft (maximum air group of around 48,
:> :> including helicopters).  With a displacement of around 65,000 tons,
:> :> these will be the largest vessels the RN has ever had - but not good
:> :> enough to cross your line for 'fleet carrier' status.
:> :
:> :Straw Whore. *** her on your own time.
:>
:> Pleased to see you're your usual charming self, Mr Lieven...
:
:Ibid your reading comprehension problem.
:

Ibid your prevarication problem.

:> :> By your definition, most of Britain's WWII fleet carriers don't
:> :> qualify as 'fleet carriers', either, as they didn't carry enough
:> :> aircraft.
:> :
:> :By 1945, most of the Illustrious type did operate about 50-60
:> :planes.
:>
:> Cite?  Everything I see says numbers of 40 or less, with the official
:> number being 33.  Even the Indomitable (which was a modified
:> Illustrious class with an extra hangar level added by removing armor)
:> only carried around 45 aircraft.
:
:Then, you are ignorant:
:

Oh, you're BELIEVING Wiki this week?

:http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/British_Pacific_Fleet
:
:HMS Formidable: approximate airgroup 36 Corsairs, 15 Avengers
:HMS Illustrious: approximate airgroup 36 Corsairs, 15 Avengers
:HMS Implacable: 48 Seafire, 21 Avenger, 12 Firefly
:HMS Indefatigable: 40 Seafire, 18 Avenger, 12 Firefly
:HMS Indomitable: 39 Hellcats, 21 Avengers
:HMS Victorious: 36 Corsairs, 15 Avengers, plus Walrus amphibian
:

Let's take a look at a real source, shall we?

http://www.hazegray.org/navhist/carriers/uk_fleet.htm

Illustrious class fleet aircraft carriers

Displacement: 29,110-29,240 tons full load
Dimensions: 673 x 95.5 x 28.5 feet/205 x 29 x 8.6 meters
Extreme Dimensions: 753 x 107 x 28.6 feet/229.5 x 32.5 x 8.7 meters
Propulsion: Steam turbines, 6 boilers, 3 shafts, 111,000 hp, 30.5
knots
Crew: 1229 (1997 late WWII)
Armor: 4.5 inch belt, 4.5 inch hangar sides, 3 inch flight deck
Armament: 8 dual 4.5/45, 6 8-barrel 2 pound AA
Aircraft: 33

[That covers Formidable, Illustrious, Victorious]

Indomitable (modified Illustrious class) fleet aircraft carrier

Displacement: 29,730 tons full load
Dimensions: 673 x 95.5 x 29.5 feet/205 x 29 x 9 meters
Extreme Dimensions: 754 x 116.5 x 29.5 feet/229.8 x 35.5 x 9 meters
Propulsion: Steam turbines, 6 boilers, 3 shafts, 111,000 shp, 30.5
knots
Crew: 1392 (2100 late WWII)
Armor: 4.5 inch belt, 1.5 inch hangar sides, 3 inch flight deck
Armament: 8 dual 4.5/50, 6 8-barrel 2 pound AA
Aircraft: 45

[That covers Indomitable]

The Implacable Class (Implacable and Indefatigable) carried 60 planes,
so you got one right.

:
:Duh.
:

Duh, indeed, you silly ass.

:> :Further, as the early Illustrious', when carrying under 50 planes, and
:> :biplane strike aircraft at that, were no threat to single handedly sink
:> :an enemy battleship... Even an over 50 plane ship, Ark Royal, never
:> :managed to do such a thing.
:>
:> To quote that paragon of charm and wit - Straw Whore. *** her on your
:> own time.
:
:Says the ignorant ASSumption leaper.
:
:Go away, kiddo, adults are talking here; you fail to qualify.
:

I'd tell you to go *** yourself, Loony, but I heard you lost your
magnifying glass and tweezers.

:> :For that matter, I don't recall any Axis cruisers sunk by RN
:> :embarked carrier airpower *alone*. Yes, Konigsberg was sunk by
:> :land based Skuas. OTOH, not a few RN cruisers were also sunk
:> :by Axis land based strike aircraft.
:>
:> Again - Straw Whore. *** her on your own time.
:
:Up your meds, ASSumptive Ignorant knob, they have failed again.
:

Down your meds, Straw Whore Fucking Liar, you are obviously non compos
mentis.

:> :The war began a bit eary for the RN carrier fleet, and their aircraft,
:> :to have advanced eough to become serious ship killers in their
:> :own rights. That achievement had to wait for more powerful aircraft,
:> :and more experience in working such planes well out at sea.
:>
:> Again - Straw Whore. *** her on your own time.
:>
:> The point remains - the majority of UK WWII fleet carriers don't
:> qualify as fleet carriers under *your* definition of same.
:
:Lie.
:

Yes, you do. See
http://www.hazegray.org/navhist/carriers/uk_fleet.htm#r67

:
:" That which is asserted without proof is properly dismissed without
:proof. "
:

Then consider yourself and your 'Law' for what constitutes a fleet
carrier dismissed, you lying little sack of ***.

:
:Please die yesterday. Plonk.
:

'Run away, run away.'

Typical Andre...

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"You take the lies out of him, and he'll shrink to the size of
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