Re: How fast is enlisted promotion now?

On Feb 29, 10:45 am, Mark Borgerson <mborger...@xxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
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On Feb 28, 8:28 pm, Mark Borgerson <mborger...@xxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
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On Feb 28, 9:19 am, "La N" <nilita2004NOS...@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
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On Feb 28, 8:19 am, "deemsb...@xxxxxxx" <deemsb...@xxxxxxx> wrote:
On Feb 28, 7:25 am, Jack Linthicum <jacklinthi...@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
wrote:

4-Feb 2 Chief Petty Officer Michael E. Koch, 29,of State
College, Pa.,
and Chief Petty Officer Nathan H. Hardy, 29, of Durham, N.H.,
died Feb. 4, from wounds suffered from small arms fire during
combat operations in Iraq.

Item from a casualty report lists two "chief petty officers" at
age 29. I calculate about 11 years to go from Seaman Recruit or
Deuce to at least E-7, 5-6 grades with about a year in each
grade before advancement. Is this the new Navy and do the other
services promote as
fast?

My son hit E-6 in the Marines in less than 8 years, which is
supposed to be the slowest service for promtions. The Navy guys
were E-2/E-3 after training and could've easily been E-4 within 2
years. Besides, there's a war on....promotions abound.

and funerals. I used to know a Marine arty guy who did Vietnam in
the early sixties, he used to say "pray for war and fast
promotions". I wonder if he lived through the real thing.

Pretty sad that it seems you have to have a war in order to make a
decent living if you're a military type.

That's wrong. Military pay, adding benefits, is not too bad. No,
you can't raise a family of four on a Private's salary, but you're
sure better off than working at McDonald's.

************************

True enough. But, at Mickey Dee's your biggest concern for injury is
burning yourself on a french fry. No such thing as danger pay there.
Anyway, a lot more "opportunities" when there's a war, eh?

That isn't extreme for Navy advancement. Most of the Navy enlisted
ratings require some form of technical schooling. Most of the recruit
pool for the higher tech, higher demand jobs will be eligible to enlist
at advanced paygrades (E2, even E3 - although everyone is an E-1 going
through boot camp and we all got paid the same; those of use that came
in at a higher paygrade had a higher "make up the difference" check
shortly after we graduated.) Some of the schooling allows for instant
advancement (up to E4) on graduation, and there were programs that
allowed personnel to re-enlist for E5. I have routinely seen really
good petty officers in technical rates (nucs and some others) as well as
in demand skills (ie: SEAL/EOD) make chief in about 8 years.

In the early 70's it was possible to get to E-5 in less than two years,
but you had to enlist under a program that got you E-3 right out
of boot camp, then pass the E-4 exam at the end of technical school
(Language school in my case). I think you had to have a year in
rate at E-4 to make E-5. If you took the exam, passed and
were selected that time, you could advance in less than two years.

I think it then took 3 years at E-5 to go for E-6, and another
three at E-6 to try for chief. It looks like the requirements are
about the same now:

http://usmilitary.about.com/library/milinfo/allhands/nlnavypromotion-...

So E-7 in 8 years is possible, but you need a lot of work, good evals,
and some demand in the rate to get there in that time span.

I think the pipeline in my rate (CTI) was pretty open up to E-5, as
a lot of E-5s did a 4-year tour and left the Navy. Many, like me,
had enlisted for 4 years to avoid 2 years in the Army or Marines.
IIRC, the pipe narrowed a lot from E-5 to E-6, as most of the
E-6s were either at the middle of a second tour or considering
a career in the Navy.

As far as the money goes - check out the pay tables. All of the
submarine department heads (senior O3/junior O4) are over $100K; senior
O4s that have prior enlisted time that "maxes" them out for pay are
about $130K; the major variation being the variable housing allowance
for the part of the country one lives in. A 26 yr E8 in Pearl Harbor
can be over $100K with bonuses.

Mark Borgerson

My CTs, mostly I and R branchers, seemed to settle in at first and
second class (early 1960s) to the point that the watch staff I had was
almost a group, having been at Meade and Seya together in two
consecutive tours. Best line was from one of the guys who made chief,
when asked how long it took him to go from 2nd to 1st he replied,
"Which time?".

Three other CT's that I went through French language school with ended
up in Morocco with me. After I went to OCS and ended up in Hawaii,
Those three and a CTI1 from our class joined me there--as did a matman
friend from Morocco. That made it easy to pick people I knew I could
work with for the trips to the South Pacific.

For the French-language CTIs, there were less than a half dozen major
stations as defined by the major targets--- nuclear and missile testing.
There were some other stations with smaller groups because French was
still the language of government in much of North and Central Africa.

Since Morocco was considered a tough duty station (no enlisted
family housing and no AC in barracks), a lot of guys ended
up in Hawaii after 2 years in Morocco. Some liked the area
and opted for Rota.



An earlier post about promotions missed a point about the current
skill levels of enlisted military. With the training they now get and
after a tour of four to six years they can pull down the equivalent
pay outside and not have people lobbing 122mm and RPGs into their work
spaces. This leads to greater turnover than in my day when the
retirement after 18 and 6 or 24 was better than the equivalent
available outside.

I suspect that keeping 2-tour Arabic and Farsi linguists is difficult
now---what with the demands of from the FBI and NSA. But then, about
half the guys I talked to in the 70's hated Ft. Meade and DC, and
half loved it.

Mark Borgerson

Imagine what Halliburton or Blackwater pays.
.

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