Re: WIGs/Caspian Sea Monsters

On Oct 26, 10:06 am, "Brian Sharrock" <b.sharr...@xxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
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On Oct 26, 8:56 am, "Brian Sharrock" <b.sharr...@xxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
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On Oct 26, 7:09 am, "Brian Sharrock" <b.sharr...@xxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
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On Wed, 24 Oct 2007 12:06:19 -0700, Allen Thomson
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wrote:

Here be there monsters in Google Earth

42.8807 N , 47.6655 E
42.8819 N , 47.6568 E

Pray tell me how to look at those coordinates using Google Earth? I
can't figure it out.

A internet facility I stumbled upon is the 'FlashEarth' site;

The view is Cartesian and zoomable (height) and drag-able. One can
quickly
zoom out, shift the 'map and zoom in (lower) using a central mouse
wheel.
Known Lat/Longs can be entered into the search box at lower right of
the
display.
The most interesting feature is on the left of screen; a set of radio
buttons which select from Google, Microsoft, Yahoo etc. their
different
images of the selected viewpoint. [Some indicate 'No data (at this
scale)]... viewing the two WIG I obtained a clearer image from 'Yahoo
maps'
than off Google.

'FlashEarth' has now become my default 'where is that' search site.

--

Brian

Do you think the first WIG has had some damage? No engine canard, main
wing seems to be reversed and the tail seems to have had some
discoloration.

First: all thanks to Allen Thomson for posting the locations;

Second; I haven't a clue how to answer Jack;

On my screen the two airframes(?) seem different and without a vertical
shot
of a ;correct' airframe I can't say which is correct.

The 'first' (southernmost) airframe seems to be on a dispersal and not
too
far from a short runway; while the 'second' airframe seems to be resting
on
a maintenance frame (or some such) in a harbour.
I can't tell which is the more deployable. Perhaps; there's some sort of
'deep star' level of routine servicing taking place (on either machine)
...
OR .... some mechaniki is laughing his socks off at out guesstimations.

BTW; you earlier raised the question of 'Why the Caspian?';
serendipitously,
there's been recent articles describing a conflict/dispute amongst the
states bordering the Caspian Sea centred on how the economic resources of
that sea are to be divided. Perhaps these Rapid Reaction (?) troop
carriers
aren't focussed on 'Zapod' (Western nations at all?

--

Brian

There are lots of what I would call LCIs (Landing craft infantry)
scattered about that facility. Also several what look like 175 foot
(est) patrol boats. I am fortunate to have a nice model of the KH on a
book shelf but here's a site with lots of pics including a video.
http://www.vincelewis.net/ekranoplan.html

Once again; thanks for your pointer to 'Everything you ever wanted to know
about Ekroplan' website.

I too noticed the vehicles between the 'first' Ekroplan and the sea; I
thought they might be three classes of hovercraft: the largest seem to have
a bow ramp and there are two vertical shadows being cast {from rudder fins?)

Having viewed the page, and embedded YouTube video I'm not inclined to agree
with you.
The 'First' [42.8807 N , 47.6655 E[ WIG seem whole to me as does the
'second' [42.8819 N , 47.6568 E]

The referenced website seems to me to indicate there are a bewildering
number of variants to these Ekroplan and two (at least) divisions of these
craft; the (first) class -aligning with the nomenclature we've assigned in
this conversation appear to have tail-fin pylon mounted aft propellers/jet
while the second class appears to have banks of turbofans mounted either
side of the 'nose' (or at least at station no 100 ~ 200]. IMHO, the 'first'
is of the 'engine in the back' variety whilst the 'second' is of the engines
in the nose variety.

Examining the first machine I don't detect any facility for nose mounted
turbofans (your canard?)
When I look at the shadow cast by the tailfin / planes I perceive a forward
protuberance which I'm interpreted as an engine nacelle. I do not see and
thin shadows corresponding to prop blades but I can't at this scale
determine whether is ; lack of resolution in the view; the prop's are off
for servicing; or it's a jet not a prop driven machine.

Also the wing plan differences seem to be explainable by them being
different airframes ; the 'first' is smaller than the 'second'.

BW; the missile launching Ekroplan is _not_ something I'd like to encounter
in anger! :)

--

Brian

Starting to agree on size and that No. 1 is the turbo prop version
with the propellor(s) off, it also lacks the canard and engines. I
haven't gone back to see if those aft turbojets are on Number 2. This
is the kind of thing that drove people crazy in 1967, big meetings,
experts brought in and all for a big aluminum boat that could jump off
the water, but had no place to go.

.

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