Re: Marine Corp EFV (Expeditionary Fighting Vehicle)

"Arved Sandstrom" <asandstrom@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:

:"Fred J. McCall" <fmccall@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote in message
:news:3s1nd3lfutiso14tnbmv484519ier4olje@xxxxxxxxxx
:> Henry Cobb <hcobb@xxxxxx> wrote:
:>
:> :Fred J. McCall wrote:
:> :> Henry Cobb <hcobb@xxxxxx> wrote:
:> :> :The EFVs are slower than LCACs and because of their one trick lack the
:> :> :armor to deal with the weapons that are killing Marines today.
:> :>
:> :> Cite?
:> :
:> :http://www.globalsecurity.org/military/systems/ship/lcac-specs.htm
:> :40 plus knots with payload, sea state 2
:> :
:> :http://www.globalsecurity.org/military/systems/ground/aaav-specs.htm
:> :Water, High Speed: 25 Knots
:> :
:>
:> Since they don't have the same mission, small surprise that they are
:> different.
:>
:> And now we get to the part I was questioning above.
:> :
:> :http://www.marinecorpstimes.com/news/2007/06/marine_efv_070630/
:> :The EFV's flat bottom - a necessity for getting the vehicle up on plane
:> :for high-speed water maneuvering - is not ideal for armoring against
:> :roadside bombs, Gardner explained.
:> :
:>
:> Real selective reading there, Mr Cobb. It's a long way from "not
:> ideal" to "lack the armor to deal with the weapons that are killing
:> Marines today". Since the purpose of the thing is NOT patrolling
:> roads, why would you stupidly want it optimized for that?
:
:Why is that so stupid, Fred? Everyone who ever rode in a M113 or LVTP-7 knew
:that they were death traps. Last I checked, when I was in, the USMC had
:things like RPG magnets (AAVs), trucks, and shitty tanks (M-60s).
:

And, as you've so eloquently made clear elsewhere, you certainly don't
want them to have anything different.

Hint: The "shitty tanks" were the same as everyone else at the time.
The Corps now has M-1s, just like everyone else.

Hint: The EFV is supposed to replace the AAVs because the latter are
too slow and too easy to take out.

:
:Why would
:you *not* want a vehicle good at patrolling roads?
:

You obviously don't read any better than Mr Cobb. Where did I make
the statement that you do "*not* want a vehicle good at patrolling
roads". I simply think you ought to use the vehicle intended for that
purpose when performing that mission.

You, apparently, think EVERY vehicle MUST be built for one and only
one mission - patrolling roads in Iraq.

:
:I know you are impressed
:with the generals and civilian "experts", but in fact you do have to patrol
:roads. The people that do that actually know the situation.
:

I know you are a lying idiot, but this is going some even for you.

:
:If the EFV is crap when it comes to IEDs and mines, what's the use of it
:once it's ashore?
:

You obviously don't read any better than Mr Cobb. Where did ANYONE
make the statement that "the EFV is crap when it comes to IEDs and
mines"?

:
:>
:> Oh, and did you bother to read the next sentence of your own cite?
:>
:> "However, the side protection of the vehicle does provide the kind of
:> force protection we're seeing with vehicles today," he said.
:>
:
:Interpreted in normal English, that translates to it gets blown up just as
:easily as most vehicles.
:

I don't think that's 'normal English' to most people, Arved.


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